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Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 3:33:23 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable? If so, when?
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 3:45:38 PM
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rcjames
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable? If so, when?
Civil war; no way, the closest we will get is if Obama does not win; then the rabid hate filled Obama supporters will riot in the streets, burning everything they can (simiaiar to '68 and Watts) untill their lawlessness is quelled.
There has been quite a few threats to this end and a lot more folks alluding to it.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 3:47:50 PM
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable? If so, when?
No, I don't think so. Even though a small majority of people have strong opinions about certain issues, most are busy watching the latest reality show and couldn't be troubled actually fight for a particular belief. I mean I think maybe a sixth of the country even watches debates. Only 64% even bothered to vote in '04, and that was highest in 40 years.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 3:52:17 PM
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A civil war would mean strong leadership to head that rebellion, as well as an organized army ... just do not see it happening.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 3:58:59 PM
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zamdad
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable? If so, when?
No. It's interesting you bring up the urban/rural split. The urban can't survive without the rural. Gotta grow food somewhere and how many urbanites know how to grow and harvest their own food. Or, heaven forbid, shoot their own food.
If there's going to be violence, it will be those caught up in the rhetoric of the class wars being waged by politicians promising to take from the rich and redistribute to the poor. They'll grow impatient of the waiting and go take for themselves what they feel their entitled to.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 4:17:31 PM
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Yes, because we are already divided, deeply divided. We Christians are not even in unity. When I was in the sixth grade there was a cartoon, with half an elephant, and half a donkey. The caption read " United we stand divided we fall." That was many years ago, but, in a sense it was kind of prophetic in nature. ( No I am not giving prophecy, just a term). I can remember staring, and staring at it though, and it has always stuck with me. This election is the line, where we have and will turn against one another. I am glad the gates of hell will not previel against the church.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 4:39:44 PM
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Don't think a civil war as in the war between the states, but civil unrest as the divide between the haves and the have-nots.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 4:43:19 PM
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lightshineon
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You refering to those who have Christ, and those who do not? There is really no poor, as in other countries. I mean there are the homeless, and people who struggle more. There are also resources to help the poor, in the United States.
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Don't think a civil war as in the war between the states, but civil unrest as the divide between the haves and the have-nots.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 4:44:47 PM
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rlj
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Don't think a civil war as in the war between the states, but civil unrest as the divide between the haves and the have-nots.
That makes sense but that would be the only kind. I still agree with Jhud though no one today cares enough about anything to want to riot and cause problems. I almost preferred the '60s in a wierd way if for no other reason than you knew that people cared about what happened even if more often than not they were misguided.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 5:05:24 PM
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colliefan
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You refering to those who have Christ, and those who do not? There is really no poor, as in other countries. I mean there are the homeless, and people who struggle more. There are also resources to help the poor, in the United States.
But the dems make their minions think they are one meal from straving or freezing to death and the government is the only thing that can save them. And what will happen when the government has taken over all business and runs out of money?
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 5:55:33 PM
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zamdad
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You refering to those who have Christ, and those who do not? There is really no poor, as in other countries. I mean there are the homeless, and people who struggle more. There are also resources to help the poor, in the United States.
I don't think most Americans are about to look at the poor in other countries and decide that things aren't so bad afterall. We're a bunch of spoiled brats. We're used to having things our way. We want what we want when we want it.
The resources to help the poor in the US are not going to be there if the economy collapses. It's rather ironic that the glut of resources to help the poor have, in many ways, contributed to the current economic crises. They have brought about a sense of entitlement. No one is to go without. Poverty has been redefined as economic conditions change. One can be considered poor here, yet still drive multiple cars, have every electronic gadget known to man, a fridge full of food, cigarettes, beer, and $150 sneakers. They can see images of third world countries and the poverty they endure, but they can't truly relate.
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McCain had to stamp down the incindiary tone of hate and suspicion that he and Sarah Palin started just this week and he was booed at his own rally. His insincere praise about admiring Obama (when he couldn't even look at him during the debates) may have fallen on deaf ears but one can only hope that McCain takes the advise of many of his REPUBLICAN allies and rachet down the hatred.
Many have already reported that the McCain campaign has run the dirtiest campaign in recent American history (we're not including the early days when duels where the way to solve differences). It's a shame that McCain broke his campaign promise that he was not going to run the same kind of campaign that was run against him by the Bush administration in 2000. Perhaps he will learn his lesson and try to regain some of the respect and honor he has lost during his campaign and return to the senate with some dignity. One can only hope.
Evangel70, where did this come from? This has nothing to do with the OP. Sounds like fodder for another thread.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 6:04:21 PM
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IMO, if McCain is elected and SC judges he appoints overturn Roe, we'll see the so-called culture wars get much worse between political opposites.
But the notion of an armed Civil War happening again is almost impossible, if for no other reason that inter-state commerce is what keeps America alive.
Take that away, and the entire nation falls apart.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 6:12:00 PM
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Jhud
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Many have already reported that the McCain campaign has run the dirtiest campaign in recent American history (we're not including the early days when duels where the way to solve differences). It's a shame that McCain broke his campaign promise that he was not going to run the same kind of campaign that was run against him by the Bush administration in 2000. Perhaps he will learn his lesson and try to regain some of the respect and honor he has lost during his campaign and return to the senate with some dignity. One can only hope.
People say this every election cycle; "this has been the dirtiest campaign ever..."
It's baloney. The reality is the only real broken promise so far is Obama's promise to take public funding, and as far as dirt, the Daily Kos crowd has been guilty of the worst slime I ever remember seeing. Of course, Obama isn't connected to that, because they are after all only his supporters - and no matter how dirty those are around him, his pristine robes can never be soiled by his associations.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 6:16:07 PM
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Evangel70, where did this come from? This has nothing to do with the OP. Sounds like fodder for another thread.
If you read my ENTIRE post, you will see my answer the OP's question:
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable?
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Another civil war, probably not. The division and contention is not so much between one state over another or even as acrimonious between urban and rural (except in isolated sections) but wars have been started over ideology. If the McCain campaign continues to incite fears that Obama is a terrorist of not a citizen or a not-so-veiled racial claim that he's a muslim, I would not be surprised if a war similar to what we experienced in the 60's is just around the corner.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 6:46:40 PM
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zamdad
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Evangel70, where did this come from? This has nothing to do with the OP. Sounds like fodder for another thread.
If you read my ENTIRE post, you will see my answer the OP's question:
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable?
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Another civil war, probably not. The division and contention is not so much between one state over another or even as acrimonious between urban and rural (except in isolated sections) but wars have been started over ideology. If the McCain campaign continues to incite fears that Obama is a terrorist of not a citizen or a not-so-veiled racial claim that he's a muslim, I would not be surprised if a war similar to what we experienced in the 60's is just around the corner.
I read the entire post. You answered the question in the first paragraph. The rest was nothing more than an attack on the candidate you least favor. You did exactly what you said you don't like about his campaign.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 6:58:13 PM
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But the dems make their minions think they are one meal from straving or freezing to death and the government is the only thing that can save them. And what will happen when the government has taken over all business and runs out of money?
Not only make them think they will starve,they make them think they will be left out of school,jobs, the political process,gvot programs,etc..
I don't think there will be a war between the states as much as it will be violence due to difference of ideals, philosophy etc.. Many people are fed up with the govt. intrusion into "local" public education, the workplace, and gradual diminish of their right to make opinions about individuals/groups w/o facing threats and or lawsuits.
I think it is inevitable and it won't be pretty.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/11/2008 7:10:22 PM
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cog41
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I also believe many folks are tired of Congress not listening to the will of the people.
Look how long it took them to vote on a border fence. Then they had to vote twice to build it. This despite a continous onslaught of calls and polls calling it. Taxes,porkbarrell spending of money we don't have. Then there is the bailout. Despite it all, they ultimately know what is best for all of us. Sickening isn't it. I just believe people will eventually reach their boiling point.
I think the only way to prevent it is to vote them all out and start over with fresh faces and voices.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 12:54:08 AM
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I am not sure what the prorper name of it would be, but I do believe that The United States is headed for a nighmarish time. It is because it will be so nightmarish that I believe that many believe it will not and can not happen. However, it has always been a very real possibiity that somehow we have managed to steer clear of. However, our ability to steer clear of it has become increasingly difficult as this country has become ever more polarized.
Civil disorder, civil wars, and revolutions tend to arise as a result of the government of a country to fulfill its responsibilities and address the problems that the country and the citizenry face.
Now, I am not an expert, and I too once believed that this country is facing the chaos that we are racing towards.
One of the common elements of a country ripe for civil disorder and revolution is the falure of that country's political and government to address the problems that the country and its citizenry faces. It is clear that over the past several years many of our politicians have lost touch with what their duties and responsibilities are. They certainly have failed to address the problems we face.
It seems that many of our politicians have come to view politics and our government as nothing more than a game. A game in which they are able to advance either their personal agendas or the agenda of their faction of a political party.
My fear is that we Americans will some day elect an individual and his supporters who will use the system to rise to power then take control of the government in the intrest of "national security", and "change".
NOTE: I am not mentioning particular individuals or political parties. Maybe we'll luck out again and postpone the chaos.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 1:33:58 AM
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Every election becomes more contentious, the divide among the states more acrimonious, the urban/rural split more apparent. Is another civil war, between left and right inevitable? If so, when?
Not sure what you are referring to. Are you referring to a Jihad(holy war)? If so the conservative Christians will certainly lose because they are a minority, but if is between urban and rural than the rural will lose because they lack the resources and money.
You're just have to accept Obama as your president, peacefully if not joyfully.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 2:07:33 AM
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Obama getting elected will not spark a civil war...sheesh, what racist baloney.
Obama not getting elected...there is a possibility of unrest, but I doubt a civil war. As stated earlier, most people don't care that much about these things.
If the Depression did not spark a civil war then this MINOR reccession we are facing certainly won't.
What candidtae is fearmongering? Maybe both, I don't know but I do know there is a spirit of fear in this country now and I think its fuel is the election.
Take a deep breath...slow down a bit...and wait until the election is over.
Then....we will talk about civil wars.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 5:36:23 AM
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You mean a war to keep Todd Palin's Alaskan Independence Party from bringing about the succession of Alaska from the Union? Yeah, I'd love to see General Sarah McClellan lead the mighty Alaskan National Guard against the troops of the lower 48. Much to the chagrin of the AIP founder, the Stars & Stripes (a.k.a. Joe Vogler's "damn flag") would prevail.
What we should do is find a way to take those Redneck states where a majority of the population thinks George W. Bush is doing a good job, and sell them back to the Native Americans. Maybe the Indian nation could set up a reservation for Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed and all the other GOP crooks.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 8:33:26 AM
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zamdad
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but if is between urban and rural than the rural will lose because they lack the resources and money.
And how is the urban population going to eat? Your definition of resources and money appear to be developed from your urban paradigm. As I said earlier, the urban cannot survive without the rural. It's an interdependent relationship. Perhaps that's why were in the mess we're in. Because everything is interdependent and all we seek is independence.
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You're just have to accept Obama as your president, peacefully if not joyfully.
Almost comes across like a threat.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 10:12:18 AM
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cog41
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but if is between urban and rural than the rural will lose because they lack the resources and money.
And how is the urban population going to eat? Your definition of resources and money appear to be developed from your urban paradigm. As I said earlier, the urban cannot survive without the rural. It's an interdependent relationship. Perhaps that's why were in the mess we're in. Because everything is interdependent and all we seek is independence.
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You're just have to accept Obama as your president, peacefully if not joyfully.
Almost comes across like a threat.
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