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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 6:20:41 PM
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galadriel2
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Doesn't sound good.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 6:41:35 PM
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Here we go...all this activity since Sept 22 a 10,000 Syrian men taking their position at the border..
"Damascus said earlier troop movements were aimed at combating smugglers."
"It says measures taken along the border are in line with agreements between Lebanon and Syria, which have been trying to normalise relations with support from France.
In recent days, the US has established a bilateral military commission with Lebanon, aimed at building up the country's armed forces." BBC
The trend to not respect borders and not listen to warnings may work to some and they get away with it, but not to others.. 
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 6:45:23 PM
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Jhud
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They are preparing for Obama's election.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 6:59:27 PM
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It is October in an U.S. election year. 
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 6:59:28 PM
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AdrianaS
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Syrians at the Lebanon border picture
They are sure opportunists, the Lebanon borders situation is weak and penetrable..
" border assessment team dispatched by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in July concluded there had "been no decisive impact on overall border security".
"The overall situation renders Lebanon's borders as penetrable as they were one year ago during the first assessment," it said in an Aug. 26 report."
Reuters 10/1
We may are distracted by economy, elections but the "inteligence people" are not...they do not sleep as regular people may.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 7:01:24 PM
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They are preparing for Obama's election.
Unfortunately, Syria is unlikely to be deterred by harsh language, which is all the US has at this juncture. I think Israel is the only deterrent, and the mood there does not seem favorable for another war. Perhaps Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 7:11:03 PM
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AdrianaS
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"Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with. "
This "carve up" means what I think it means?
Wow..
Another thing I find interesting even though people from Lebanon are scared of the situation because they are there and know what is like to be at war etc and their enemies..is about the Syrian army there..is just like a "camping".site..they are at open air there, not hidding or nothing ..
wow is just like that? when enemy move to others country borders and may invade and something? They just camp like that?
Sorry my ignorance I just remembered Israel camping also in the Bible..never been near army camping at any borders..it comes around "ancient ways" of prepering for invasions somehow..
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/7/2008 10:19:52 PM
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They are preparing for Obama's election.
Unfortunately, Syria is unlikely to be deterred by harsh language, which is all the US has at this juncture. I think Israel is the only deterrent, and the mood there does not seem favorable for another war. Perhaps Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with.
Hmmm. This may have something to do with it.
Maybe Syria is having its own problem with imported terrorism?
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 3:06:01 AM
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I have debated whether to say this, but if you go and read the article that Cow got his info from you will find that the Syrian build-up is coming on the heels of America giving Lebanon $63 million worth of military equipment. If Canada had just received $63 million worth of military equipment from Russia and/or Iran what do you think America would do? (I thought I would throw another perspective into the equation.) 
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'For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall....For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.' (Eph. 2:14; 1 Cor. 3:11) Democracy is not the foundation for peace, either between Gentile and Gentile, Jew and Jew, or Jew and Gentile. Neither is Islam, Communism, Socialism, or Fascism - any 'ism'.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 10:12:58 AM
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Unfortunately, Syria is unlikely to be deterred by harsh language, which is all the US has at this juncture. I think Israel is the only deterrent, and the mood there does not seem favorable for another war. Perhaps Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with.
That's all we have? Last I checked we still have fighter jets and bombs.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 10:47:01 AM
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I have debated whether to say this, but if you go and read the article that Cow got his info from you will find that the Syrian build-up is coming on the heels of America giving Lebanon $63 million worth of military equipment. If Canada had just received $63 million worth of military equipment from Russia and/or Iran what do you think America would do? (I thought I would throw another perspective into the equation.)
God bless abundantly,
Galadriel
'For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall....For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.' (Eph. 2:14; 1 Cor. 3:11) Democracy is not the foundation for peace, either between Gentile and Gentile, Jew and Jew, or Jew and Gentile. Neither is Islam, Communism, Socialism, or Fascism - any 'ism'.
'A further common cause of self-deception is our failure to realize that the one thing that matters is our relationship to Christ.' David Martyn Lloyd-Jones
I also thought about that too! The arms might be used to stabilize the country and lesson Syria's influence in the country. Syria thinks of Lebanon as part of their vision of a "greater Syria" as well.
Did you know that Lebanon was granted independence in 1943 by the Vichy French (ie, Nazi controlled French) government? Lebanon grew out of the post WWI dismantlement of the Ottoman Empire. WWI - the war to BEGIN all wars! We are still feeling the aftereffects of the bungling of the peace in that war!
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 11:11:53 AM
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AdrianaS
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I have debated whether to say this, but if you go and read the article that Cow got his info from you will find that the Syrian build-up is coming on the heels of America giving Lebanon $63 million worth of military equipment. If Canada had just received $63 million worth of military equipment from Russia and/or Iran what do you think America would do? (I thought I would throw another perspective into the equation.)
God bless abundantly,
Galadriel
'For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall....For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.' (Eph. 2:14; 1 Cor. 3:11) Democracy is not the foundation for peace, either between Gentile and Gentile, Jew and Jew, or Jew and Gentile. Neither is Islam, Communism, Socialism, or Fascism - any 'ism'.
'A further common cause of self-deception is our failure to realize that the one thing that matters is our relationship to Christ.' David Martyn Lloyd-Jones
Yes it does make sense.
But what I don't understand is that US gave already $400 millions to Lebanese army ..but why the latest gift of $60 millions inspired the Syrian to make the move to the border?
What is in this latest gift so special anyways?
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 11:18:59 AM
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Unfortunately, Syria is unlikely to be deterred by harsh language, which is all the US has at this juncture. I think Israel is the only deterrent, and the mood there does not seem favorable for another war. Perhaps Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with.
That's all we have? Last I checked we still have fighter jets and bombs.
We're overextended as is, do we really need more gunboat diplomacy?
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 11:25:49 AM
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Jhud
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We're overextended as is, do we really need more gunboat diplomacy?
We aren't over-extended on jets and bombs.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 11:47:59 AM
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Unfortunately, Syria is unlikely to be deterred by harsh language, which is all the US has at this juncture. I think Israel is the only deterrent, and the mood there does not seem favorable for another war. Perhaps Syria and Israel should just carve up Lebanon and get it over with.
That's all we have? Last I checked we still have fighter jets and bombs.
Mr. Cheney: If that's all we got, then the Israeli's should do that. US intervention will only serve to revive recruiting for Islamic terrorist groups (just as Iraq is finally seeing less terrorist activity).
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 11:56:50 AM
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Mr. Cheney: If that's all we got, then the Israeli's should do that. US intervention will only serve to revive recruiting for Islamic terrorist groups (just as Iraq is finally seeing less terrorist activity).
I don't have a problem with the Israeli's 'doing that'; though in all fairness it will be difficult for the fleeing Syrian troops to identify exactly where the falling bombs are coming from.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 12:24:03 PM
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We're overextended as is, do we really need more gunboat diplomacy?
We aren't over-extended on jets and bombs.
And you have our current inventories at your fingertips? We're begging other countries for boats and planes to fight the pirates off the Somalian coast! Afghanistan has been begging for more troops for years. Doesn't sound like we have weapons or troops coming out of our ears, does it?!
Our squadrons of A-10 Warthogs are old and are starting to be grounded because of fatigue cracks in their wings. This five years of war have been taxing our military equipment to the edge of failure. But sure let's start another fight, and another, our government can always print more money to pay for it!
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 12:36:32 PM
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And you have our current inventories at your fingertips? We're begging other countries for boats and planes to fight the pirates off the Somalian coast! Afghanistan has been begging for more troops for years. Doesn't sound like we have weapons or troops coming out of our ears, does it?!
Our squadrons of A-10 Warthogs are old and are starting to be grounded because of fatigue cracks in their wings. This five years of war have been taxing our military equipment to the edge of failure. But sure let's start another fight, and another, our government can always print more money to pay for it!
It doesn't take a lot of troops to fly jets (of which aren't in short supply) and aren't really being used all that much in Iraq right now, which requires mostly ground troops. And troops amassed along a border aren't that hard to hit.
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 1:03:07 PM
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And you have our current inventories at your fingertips? We're begging other countries for boats and planes to fight the pirates off the Somalian coast! Afghanistan has been begging for more troops for years. Doesn't sound like we have weapons or troops coming out of our ears, does it?!
Our squadrons of A-10 Warthogs are old and are starting to be grounded because of fatigue cracks in their wings. This five years of war have been taxing our military equipment to the edge of failure. But sure let's start another fight, and another, our government can always print more money to pay for it!
It doesn't take a lot of troops to fly jets (of which aren't in short supply) and aren't really being used all that much in Iraq right now, which requires mostly ground troops. And troops amassed along a border aren't that hard to hit.
And what will we do after we kill 10,000 Syrians? Pat ourselves on the back for a job well done ignoring the wider ME war we've just started?
Gee, doesn't Syria share a border with Iraq? I wonder what the ramifications would be to the troops on the ground there for us teaching those nasty Syrians a lesson with a few airplanes that aren't being used?
Your plan lacks a whole lot of details as does every plan with the shoot first, ask questions later mindset!
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/8/2008 1:41:11 PM
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Jhud
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And what will we do after we kill 10,000 Syrians? Pat ourselves on the back for a job well done ignoring the wider ME war we've just started?
Gee, doesn't Syria share a border with Iraq? I wonder what the ramifications would be to the troops on the ground there for us teaching those nasty Syrians a lesson with a few airplanes that aren't being used?
Your plan lacks a whole lot of details as does every plan with the shoot first, ask questions later mindset!
I don't think we need to kill anyone - I think if we just clearly said, "Move away from the border or suffer the consequences" the generally skittish Syrians would do so. If they failed to comply, a few bombs dropped near them should convince them to do so. Of course, if they fail to act at that point, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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