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The second seal? - 12/3/2008 7:55:47 PM
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Dancre
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I heard this on Glen Beck today and it pretty much chilled me. He read this article. I really wasn't paying much attention until he said:
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This gamble was likely to end in one of two extreme ways: with either a resurgence of inflation; or a downward spiral into depression, civil disorder, and possibly wars. Both outcomes will cause a rush for gold.
Now the dispensational interpretation of Rev 6:3 says the rider on the horse, fiery red, is the symbol of civil war and strife. The article also says the introduction of gold could start as early as next year. It seems that this is the tribulation, according to the Word of God. If Jesus isn't the Lord and Savior of your life, then you might want to think of getting on board before it's too late.
The third seal will be great inflation and a lack of goods. One can see the country moving into that way. It's only a matter of time.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/5/2008 6:38:05 PM
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Before Christ ascended He mentioned that two swords would be enough (most likely having a double meaning). His is in Heaven and the other seems to have been left to the Governments of the Nations. At present they are our protection from evil and they have authority to yield a sword (Romans:13) within the limits as defined in that chapter. If Governments go beyond those limits they are then against the people they are supposed to be protecting, that would count for the red color. They are servants of God (only meaning they serve a purpose and not that they are getting instructions from God)
There are a few verses from Isaiah and Jeremiah that speak of 'shepherds' (also servants of God) that are not looking after their sheep they are concerned only with their own welfare. I don't see why that couldn't apply to a wayward Govt. They would certainly use force against their own citizens to protect their own hides even if they were the ones in error.
Those Governments do not stay in power very long, they are replaced by 10 men that the Beast from the Pit who control all things that the Govt used to control.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/5/2008 11:15:35 PM
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Dancre
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That's interesting. Thanks for sharing!!! :) Deep down inside I hope they are all wrong.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 10:32:40 AM
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Also, isn't there a company that does trend predictions (they predicted the crash of '87, Berlin wall coming down and several other key events) that predicts by 2012 there will be food riots and that Christmases will become about getting food instead of exchanging presents? I normally wouldn't give an heed to extreme predictions, but this guy has been pretty dead on in the past. I can't remember his name though. Does anyone know who I'm talking about? This sort of thing makes me pause and want to start store-housing canned goods.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 11:32:48 AM
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I'm not sure who that would be, 2012 does seem to be a popular date to speculate about though. I've thought quite a bit about stockpiling food and it does make sense to keep a supply on hand for power outages and such but enough for years, well I just wouldn't go that far. If that is what it takes to make it through years of tribulation then it will be the rich who survive, the poorer people won't have a chance, I just don't believe God works that way.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 4:12:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: Wayfaring Stranger
I'm not sure who that would be, 2012 does seem to be a popular date to speculate about though. I've thought quite a bit about stockpiling food and it does make sense to keep a supply on hand for power outages and such but enough for years, well I just wouldn't go that far. If that is what it takes to make it through years of tribulation then it will be the rich who survive, the poorer people won't have a chance, I just don't believe God works that way.
Shalom. For the past few years, I have been attempting to concern people with storing up supplies, in case of catastrophe, however occurring.
Seal two is followed by the two seals that will require 'stored food,' or death, due to no stored food. My logic being, If you store up food (canned), you can always eat it should nothing require storing, or for living off of, or barter, should a shortage occur. If this country is hit by an EMP bomb, food will be the first thing to run out, in one or two days.
Seal one is not so obvious. Seal two, considerably more obvious. Seal three, absolutely obvious due to empty bellies. And, Seal four, too late to do anything but probably die.
If, for some reason, the Rapture does not exist, you are prepared. If it does exist, as I believe, you have helped someone who wasn't prepared. Either way, you are covered.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and foresight. Arley
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In the name of Messiah, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 5:13:12 PM
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Hi Arley,
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Shalom. For the past few years, I have been attempting to concern people with storing up supplies, in case of catastrophe, however occurring.
That must have been on different sites then as you are quite new here. As I have already stated a person should stock up in case of natural disasters, like and ice storm that cuts power for a few weeks or something similar. That still brings up the point that if that is what is required (very large stockpiles) then it comes down to being rich enough to do that. The rich would certainly be able to do that, is that who is going to make it through, those who can afford such things? If a Christian was to stockpile a large supply what do you do when somebody who is hungry comes by, if you turn him/them away then you could be doing that to a fellow Christian who just didn't have the finances to hoard food. Salvation was never about finances, being a good Christian was never about finances. You seem to be forgetting that many Christians barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, that would them with prayer alone which is promised to be quite effective in the end-times.
De:4:29:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
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Seal two is followed by the two seals that will require 'stored food,' or death, due to no stored food. My logic being, If you store up food (canned), you can always eat it should nothing require storing, or for living off of, or barter, should a shortage occur. If this country is hit by an EMP bomb, food will be the first thing to run out, in one or two days.
How many people would you be willing to kill in defense of that food? I don't see how that would impress Christ in the least, freely sharing that food would impress Him much more I'm quite sure.
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Seal one is not so obvious. Seal two, considerably more obvious. Seal three, absolutely obvious due to empty bellies. And, Seal four, too late to do anything but probably die.
I assume you believe in a 7 year trib (most pre-tribbers do)how much food would you require just for yourself?
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If, for some reason, the Rapture does not exist, you are prepared. If it does exist, as I believe, you have helped someone who wasn't prepared. Either way, you are covered.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'for some reason'? Isn't that a bit confusing for people, stock up because you won't be here to need it. How closely have you studied the topic of a rapture before (instead of) tribulation?
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:19:29 PM
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Dancre
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I think this is what you are talking about: link
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Also, isn't there a company that does trend predictions (they predicted the crash of '87, Berlin wall coming down and several other key events) that predicts by 2012 there will be food riots and that Christmases will become about getting food instead of exchanging presents? I normally wouldn't give an heed to extreme predictions, but this guy has been pretty dead on in the past. I can't remember his name though. Does anyone know who I'm talking about? This sort of thing makes me pause and want to start store-housing canned goods.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:24:49 PM
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My personal belief is that the first seal is opened already. I believe the second one maybe opened very soon and might be this food riot thingie. I find it pretty weird seeing the seals opened before my eyes. I'm so very glad I'm saved. I wonder how folks can go through all of this AND STILL toss Jesus to the side. Sad.
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Shalom. For the past few years, I have been attempting to concern people with storing up supplies, in case of catastrophe, however occurring.
Seal two is followed by the two seals that will require 'stored food,' or death, due to no stored food. My logic being, If you store up food (canned), you can always eat it should nothing require storing, or for living off of, or barter, should a shortage occur. If this country is hit by an EMP bomb, food will be the first thing to run out, in one or two days.
Seal one is not so obvious. Seal two, considerably more obvious. Seal three, absolutely obvious due to empty bellies. And, Seal four, too late to do anything but probably die.
If, for some reason, the Rapture does not exist, you are prepared. If it does exist, as I believe, you have helped someone who wasn't prepared. Either way, you are covered.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and foresight. Arley
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:30:56 PM
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Dancre
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Well, we need to remember that God will always take care of His own. God has placed on lots and lots and lots of Christians' hearts that they need to stock up on food. And this happened before the elections. God will take care of His own, that I know, so I'm not too worried about other Christians starving. But the world is in trouble. They decided "I don't want God, I don't need God, I don't care for God." So God said, "Alright, good luck." And turned instead to taking care of His kids. Of course, I'll give food to someone who asks for it and Know that God will restock. I just hope that the American society will reach out to God before it's too late.
And may I add, God has told me to stock up on food and other stuff, which I'm doing.
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Hi Arley,
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Shalom. For the past few years, I have been attempting to concern people with storing up supplies, in case of catastrophe, however occurring.
That must have been on different sites then as you are quite new here. As I have already stated a person should stock up in case of natural disasters, like and ice storm that cuts power for a few weeks or something similar. That still brings up the point that if that is what is required (very large stockpiles) then it comes down to being rich enough to do that. The rich would certainly be able to do that, is that who is going to make it through, those who can afford such things? If a Christian was to stockpile a large supply what do you do when somebody who is hungry comes by, if you turn him/them away then you could be doing that to a fellow Christian who just didn't have the finances to hoard food. Salvation was never about finances, being a good Christian was never about finances. You seem to be forgetting that many Christians barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, that would them with prayer alone which is promised to be quite effective in the end-times.
De:4:29:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
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Seal two is followed by the two seals that will require 'stored food,' or death, due to no stored food. My logic being, If you store up food (canned), you can always eat it should nothing require storing, or for living off of, or barter, should a shortage occur. If this country is hit by an EMP bomb, food will be the first thing to run out, in one or two days.
How many people would you be willing to kill in defense of that food? I don't see how that would impress Christ in the least, freely sharing that food would impress Him much more I'm quite sure.
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Seal one is not so obvious. Seal two, considerably more obvious. Seal three, absolutely obvious due to empty bellies. And, Seal four, too late to do anything but probably die.
I assume you believe in a 7 year trib (most pre-tribbers do)how much food would you require just for yourself?
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If, for some reason, the Rapture does not exist, you are prepared. If it does exist, as I believe, you have helped someone who wasn't prepared. Either way, you are covered.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'for some reason'? Isn't that a bit confusing for people, stock up because you won't be here to need it. How closely have you studied the topic of a rapture before (instead of) tribulation?
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:47:44 PM
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Dancre
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My friend and her family moved out to the country, which she didn't want to do. But once they moved, God told her her house would be a sanctuary for others when times grew hard. He has also told me to use my house as a sanctuary for others. I think there will be Christians who do have stock piles of food and 'sanctuaries', but will give it to others in need, thus showing that God loves them and they need Him. I love it when God's plans are so different from ours!!!!
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Yes! Gerald Celente was who I was thinking of.  Thanks. When I say store up food, I'm not talking about going to Sams or Costco and buying out the store, but maybe buying a couple of extra cans of something each time you go to the grocery, etc. I don't think God will let His children starve. Even if they are poor and can't provide for themselves on those times, I think He will put people in their lives to help them. I know if I had a stock pile of food, I would be more than willing to share it with those in need. Also, these sort of things crossed my mind when I was chatting with a girlfriend (a Christian). She mentioned they had taken survival courses. I don't think it's because of the tribulation, but they are sort of outdoorsy types.
I think I've read the Left Behind books too much or watched too much SurvivorMan.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:53:13 PM
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That's weird because earlier today I was thinking of how nice it would be to be able to buy land in my hometown area (basically rural) and let it be a haven for Christians in need. That could just be wishful thinking for me, but who knows? We're pretty comfortable financially right now and maybe that will be in our cards in the near future? I was thinking about it being a refuge for Christians who are being persecuted.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/6/2008 6:57:14 PM
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pray about it. If that's what God wants you to do, then He'll provide the funds. It could be a ministry for others. God loves ministries that are born by Him. I'm going to consider my home a ministry for others. you can too. :)
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That's weird because earlier today I was thinking of how nice it would be to be able to buy land in my hometown area (basically rural) and let it be a haven for Christians in need. That could just be wishful thinking for me, but who knows? We're pretty comfortable financially right now and maybe that will be in our cards in the near future? I was thinking about it being a refuge for Christians who are being persecuted.
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RE: The second seal? - 12/7/2008 1:21:51 AM
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Shalom Wayfaring Stranger. I am very sorry you didn't understand my tack of thought. Perhaps I can clarify my feelings and thoughts;
I said:
"... My logic being, If you store up food (canned), you can always eat it should nothing require storing, or for living off of, or barter, should a shortage occur. If this country is hit by an EMP bomb, food will be the first thing to run out, in one or two days. ..."
You said:
"That must have been on different sites then as you are quite new here. As I have already stated a person should stock up in case of natural disasters, like and ice storm that cuts power for a few weeks or something similar. That still brings up the point that if that is what is required (very large stockpiles) then it comes down to being rich enough to do that."
I say:
In response to your noticing that I am new here, I am new, "here," but not exactly 'new.' I do admit that I have not researched the Forum to read all you have posted, but, since I have 'only' posted a few times, here, I would hope you could cut me some slack. I was addressing catastrophic events of 'all' sources, from nature, to man made, both of which I am quite familiar with. Either, does require some preparations for, to minimize problems, and help others.
I said:
"... If, for some reason, the Rapture does not exist, you are prepared. If it does exist, as I believe, you have helped someone who wasn't prepared. Either way, you are covered. ..."
You said:
"How many people would you be willing to kill in defense of that food? I don't see how that would impress Christ in the least, freely sharing that food would impress Him much more I'm quite sure."
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Where on earth did you delve from my words that I was 'willing to kill in defense of that food'? The premise of my idea is to have supplies to survive, and help others (try reading my closing statement, above, again). However many supplies I would have will be used until gone, helping as many as I am able, for as long as I am able; even if I am not here to hand out the help.
You further said:
I assume you believe in a 7 year trib (most pre-tribbers do)how much food would you require just for yourself?
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Yep, I do. I am, and if my math is right, every 'pre-tribbers' does). You then ask about how much food would I require just for myself? If I were the person you seem to think I am, bunches, and bunches. Again, that was not the point. Where I live, in rural Nebraska, there could be a period of time when goods are not being delivered, and the season could dictate months of zero incoming, or home grown supply. Also, the people here tend to help each other much more than the 'big city' folks do. Believe it or not, a person can survive on about 200 calories per day (or less, after acclimation).
You close with:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'for some reason'? Isn't that a bit confusing for people, stock up because you won't be here to need it. How closely have you studied the topic of a rapture before (instead of) tribulation?
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What I hear you saying is: 1. How can I possibly have doubt, and use 'for some reason?' 2. Why would I want to help someone, if I will not be present to help them, and receive thanks; and 3. You want to know how closely I have studied before (instead of) tribulation. Hmmmm. OK:
1. I mean 'for some reason,' just that. I make mistakes all the time. How better to learn? I know of no person who learns from their own perfection. Every time I reread a Chapter, I find something new. Guess I am not yet perfect, Sorry.
2. I want to help someone, because My God said I should do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
3. Some would say I have studied in great depth, while others would dispute that. I learned, while going to college, that you get out what you put in, be it energy, and/or time. (I do so hate 'look at me' statements, and you would not believe my academic credentials any way) I guess, if you calculate full time, coupled with most time, and add a period of some time, I have been at it for about 65 years now, with about thirty percent in active Biblical, and extra-Biblical research. Don't worry however, most people in the 'respected' Denominations think of me as a 'Hairy-tick.'
At our joyous welcoming, and final cleansing, upon graduation to Messiah, we will all know and understand His truth. Until then, I guess we all are just stuck with some brothers and sisters, we sometimes have to bite our lip to like. Sorry, if my words are harsh. I could never run for President, I guess.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and understanding. Arley
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In the name of Messiah, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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