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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents - 11/6/2008 6:54:05 PM
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StephK
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It all depends on his actions to be honest. If he pushes his far left agenda then he won't garner much support. JMO
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents - 11/6/2008 7:19:24 PM
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Appoint a couple of republicans to his cabinet.
(moderate ones of course....LOL.)
LOL!
Steph, I totally understand. But so far, based on his campaign, what can he do?
If I were to base it on everything so far...
First thing he could do is to admit his mistake of donating $800,000 to ACORN and to say that there were other ways he could have encouraged people to vote. ACORN had a lot to do (not all) with getting citizens to vote who normally would not have. Despite that, their practices and controversy is very disappointing. Obama has had to know a little about the organization, otherwise he would have not have supported them so much. Some argue that that it was part of Obama's agenda, because of his past affiliation with the group (I forgot that guy's name. Shucks). That may or may not be true. Regardless, I didn't think it wasn't necessary for him to go that route. Next election, he should avoid relying on outside organizations and stick to his own million volunteers. lol Or did those volunteers come from ACORN?
The next time he has a forum with a church like Saddleback, he should be more straightforward with his stances on the moral issues. When asked about abortion and when he though life began, he pretty much gave a very an indirect answer. While he said he thinks abortion is not ideal, he also said that we should try to encourage women to rethink aborting. He should have really said what he thought...I am Pro-choice. Not only would I publically fund abortions. I would deny health care for babies that survive it. If he said this though I would still not support him of course. But at least be honest about it and not sugar coat it ya know?
This is to start. lol
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents - 11/6/2008 7:30:17 PM
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I doubt he starts off reaching across the aisle. He chose one of the most vocally (nasty) partisan persons he could as his Chief of Staff. That right there shows he's not moving away from what got him in office. I don't listen to what politicians say they are going to do but look at what they have done.
I think I misunderstood the nature of this thread.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 8:24:02 PM
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If he really means what he said constantly about uniting this country please President-elect Obama (soon to be President), don't alienate those of us that didn't vote for you (which was roughly half the voting population). Really mean it when you say you are for bipartisanship and working with those you may have differing views with.
I know that his voting record is to the far left and I'm hoping he can put aside his ideology and do what's best for the country. Yes the Democrats have gained seats in Congress and he got the electoral landslide but that's not a mandate. He didn't get a landslide in the popular vote. Despite how much I disagree with him on so many issues, despite how I was very concerned about his past history I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The ball is in his court to prove all my (and others like me) assumptions about him wrong.
So I think in order for those of us that didn't support him and are skeptical about him even now to support him and to trust him a LITTLE (I'll be frank here, I don't trust him....) he'll have to prove me wrong.
Like Steph stated, his actions will speak louder than words. I know I will be watching closely to see whether he really meant what he said throughout his campaign this election about bridging the divide, reaching across the aisle, etc, or if it was just empty promises to get him the Presidency.
Although I highly doubt he will get my vote in 4 years, simply due to the fact that his stances on most issues I completely disagree with him.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents - 11/6/2008 8:43:34 PM
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He chose one of the most vocally (nasty) partisan persons he could as his Chief of Staff. True, but that really "nasty" partisan person has LOTS of Republican friends on the Hill and even Linsday Graham thinks he was a good pick. Also, the Chief of Staff controls access to the President - you don't want someone who is a pushover in that job. You want someone who you think will have your back. These two, as different as they are in their approach, are very very good friends from what I understand.
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Yes the Democrats have gained seats in Congress and he got the electoral landslide but that's not a mandate. I guess you would agree then that Bush was very mistaken when he claimed a mandate after the 2004 election, correct?
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 8:48:11 PM
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If Obama want's their support then he should agree with them.
Those who oppose what he does should oppose it with all their might. They should not compromise their principles.
The senators should only support the things that they believe are in the best interest of thier state and the representatives should only support the things that the majority of the people in their district support... then things will work the way the framers intended.
Gridlock is a good thing in government. It stops them from running us into the ground. The less they get done... the better it will be for us.
BTW, that Lindsay Graham approves of something really doesn't mean much.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:02:19 PM
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Gridlock is a good thing in government. It stops them from running us into the ground. The less they get done... the better it will be for us. I disagree. When you have gridlock for too long you end up with messes like we have now. Gridlock is only good if you're an anarchist.
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BTW, that Lindsay Graham approves of something really doesn't mean much. Oh, so he's not one of the party's "chosen"? That's too bad, he actually has some intellect.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:09:19 PM
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I'm curious as to what you think Obama can and should do to gain support from his opponents? Be specific.
* When I mean support I don't mean praying for him. We should all pray for any President regardless of who it is. Support means a vote for him in 4 years...support means to think highly of, etc...
He does have to get my support in order to get his agenda accomplished. I do not believe he really cares whether he has the other 50% of the nation's support. He has a democratic congress, and senate. The first 4 years will be do it the democratic way. The democrats were the ones who elected him and if he wants to return to the white house he better make sure they stay happy.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:16:23 PM
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relady
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I do not believe he really cares whether he has the other 50% of the nation's support Uh, not to be nitpicky, but it's more like the other 46%. I don't believe JUST Dems voted for him. I think a lot of the Indpendent vote and some Republicans tipped for him, too.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:21:03 PM
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I do not believe he really cares whether he has the other 50% of the nation's support Uh, not to be nitpicky, but it's more like the other 46%. I don't believe JUST Dems voted for him. I think a lot of the Indpendent vote and some Republicans tipped for him, too.
You missed the point. His philosophy and my philosophy for a government are not the same. He does not have to because he does not need our support in order to get his agenda accomplished. There is one good thing about the democrats in such control There does not need to be any pork in any of the bills in order to get them passed. ummmmmmmm
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:24:26 PM
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There is one good thing about the democrats in such control There does not need to be any pork in any of the bills in order to get them passed. ummmmmmmm LOL, I'm not sure about that. Dems have control but for some things they will still need and want Repub support. But in some things you are correct, they don't have to worry about pleasing the Republicans they can just do what they need/want to do and invite the repubs to tag along if they want to. But never fear, the pork will never go away. That's how states get things they want.
But I do think Obama cares. I think he sincerely wants to be everyone's President and wants to try and unite the country. It's a tall order.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 9:42:49 PM
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There is one good thing about the democrats in such control There does not need to be any pork in any of the bills in order to get them passed. ummmmmmmm LOL, I'm not sure about that. Dems have control but for some things they will still need and want Repub support. But in some things you are correct, they don't have to worry about pleasing the Republicans they can just do what they need/want to do and invite the repubs to tag along if they want to. But never fear, the pork will never go away. That's how states get things they want.
But I do think Obama cares. I think he sincerely wants to be everyone's President and wants to try and unite the country. It's a tall order.
I disagree regarding uniting the country. I am not going into detail other than he made it sound as if being "rich" was a sin. I am not rich no where close to it. People forget at one time those "rich" people took big risks to get where they are today. They do not know about the sleepless nights or worrying whether they made a good decision. They only see the life styles they are living now but they are not aware of the life style they lived ??? while they were putting everything they made into the company. He told the small business owner once you start making a good living we will tax it because it is not fair that you are now succeeding.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 11:17:35 PM
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The modern president who has reached across party lines more than anyone was George Bush. He ended up causing everyone to hate him. Con's hated him when he linked up with dems for No Child Left Behind, appointed a moderate judge, Hariet Myers, and pushed for a democratic immigration bill. Lib's hated him with his first supreme court pic, the War in Iraq, and his tax cuts.
Barak has no reason to reach out to those who do not support him, atleast initially. He has congress on his side as well as the media. If things do change he could make a move like Clinton in the nineties. When the republicans took over congress as well as many new governorships, Clinton read the changing winds and all of a sudden became a moderate conservative.
It's not about agreeing with everyone or making sure everyone get's their policy ideas implemented to some degree. That sounds like you are running policy based on making everyone happy with you.
Why not implement polices that help our nation? Policies that respect individual freedoms such as property rights. Barak Obama does not seem to understand those concepts. He thinks the government owns our money. Instead of making everyone pay the same tax rate, or something close, He thinks we should overtax a certain portion of the population so he can give tax breaks to the majority, some of whom do not pay taxes at all. I make very little. But I have no right to take from someone just so I can pay less on my taxes. It's their money. They have a right to choose how they spend it. The goverment doesn't own us. We own the goverment.
I don't think Obama understands this nor will he ever. He listed a former man named Frank Davis as good friend in one of his memoirs. Frank Davis is a stalinist who was under survellience by the FBI for 15 years. He also endorsed and annouced one of his campaigns in the home of Bill Ayers, a know terrorist. The media said nothing about most of this. They were not the ones to find out about Jerimiah Wright. And even when the Wright tapes were discovered, they didn't air them until Fox brought them to national attention. Yet, a week after Sarah Palin was nominated they had tapes of her praying in church. The major media will continue to give Obama a free ride when he is elected. He has no need to make anyone happy.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/6/2008 11:27:22 PM
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What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents?
1. Start believing that all is abortion is illegal except in the case where the mother's life is in danger.
2. Start believing that homosexual marriage should be illegal.
If he were to start believing in those things and became outspoken about them, he would put people in shock. People would be flummoxed.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 10:26:34 AM
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He has to nationalize health care! He has to take over the auto industry! He has to tax the rich (that's anyone making over $35,000 a year) at a 70% rate and make sure it gets given directly to the poor! The government has to run the banks! Oil and all energy will be run by the government! Cuba will become the 51st state and Havana will become the US capital! Fidel Castro will become the father of the country!
Of course I am speaking for a family member who spent her teen years and young adulthood in Cuba for two decades since the mid 70's. She in no way thinks Obama is a leftist. She is also an assistant pastor in an Episcopalian church now. She did not support Obama. She voted for Nader.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 11:38:21 AM
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Obama could gain my support if stopped being a dirty flaming socialist. If he stopped seeing the Constitution as flawed. If he stopped being deceitful. If he stopped being hypocritical. If he acted like a real Christian instead of professing to be one and then acting in complete contradiction to the Bible.
In other words, Obama will probably never have my support because it is doubtful that he will start acting completely opposite of his radical nature. He gets my support in the form of prayer and criticism.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 12:35:11 PM
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Call me partisan. Obama has not said anything that I can agree with. I am quite confident that he will not govern from the center. He will govern from the left and continue to drive us down that path.
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But I do think Obama cares. I think he sincerely wants to be everyone's President and wants to try and unite the country. It's a tall order.
This is where our worldviews collide. I don't get that Hakuna Matada sense from him. There are so many issues that he supports that go against the core values of Christian voters. But, too many Christians put their values aside to make history. We are going to reap what we sow.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 12:56:09 PM
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BTW, that Lindsay Graham approves of something really doesn't mean much.
J
And a great big AMEN to that sentiment.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 1:12:30 PM
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Unless he gives up his radical views I dont' think there is anything he could do to gain my support except in the prayer I'm commande to life up for him. He is not going to govern from the center because he has no reason to. His party controls all aspects of govt. so he doesn't have to reach across to the other side.
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RE: What can Obama do to gain support from his opponents? - 11/7/2008 2:26:25 PM
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Evangelicals have been trying to use government to push the religious/conservative agenda for 20 yrs- 8 each under Reagan and Bush II and 4 under Bush I. Not only has it failed, but it has actually undermined the influence of evangelical conservatives in the public sector. Honestly I think christians need to quit relying on control of the government to foist our values upon society to effect change and instead reach out thru ministry in the private sector- charitable work and conducting ourselves as intelligent, compassionate, respectful folks.
Changing society has to be a grass-roots effort promoted thru showing our neighbors that we DO care about them and will treat them with compassion and respect even if we disagree with their religious, political, or social views. As Jesus said, "hate the sin but LOVE the sinner." The 1st Century church effected change not by taking over the government but by ministering to society and showing themselves to be people of the utmost honor and integrity in all their dealings, people who uplifted the oppressed,healed the sick, protected the widowed and orphaned, visited those in prison, and would give the shirts off their backs to help their fellow man.
If we want to win society to Christ, we have to act like Him 24/7. We aren't doing that as we should. If we want to change the character of society, then we need to become more active in society and leave politics to the politicians for the time being.
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