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What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not for... - 12/4/2008 6:00:35 PM   
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Of course they will be using your money to do it.

Maybe the snakes will eat the lizards...


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The Treasury Department is considering a plan to revitalize the U.S. home market that would push down interest rates for loans to purchase a home, according to people familiar with the matter. The plan, which is in the development stage, would temporarily use the clout of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to encourage banks to lend at rates as low as 4.5%, more than a full point lower than prevailing rates for standard 30-year fixed-rate mortgages.



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Regardless of price predictions there is another pressing issue. At the core of this it is very simply impossibly unfair to many American homeowners. The Journal makes clear that this program would only be available to home buyers and not those who currently own and are looking to refinance.


http://briansullivan.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2008/12/03/the-government-hopes-the-snakes-can-solve-the-lizard-problem/

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:02:59 AM   
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I think it's ridiculous. It doesn't even begin to acknowledge the real problem in the housing market.

The article talks about those who have $2000 a month for a mortgage and the different prices of homes they can afford depending on the interest rate, and how much better it is if they get more home for the buck.

The real problem is most of those people who "have" $2000 a month for a mortgage don't. In reality they can only afford $1200 a month for their mortgage, but they believe they can spend $2000.
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:07:42 AM   
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I think it's ridiculous. It doesn't even begin to acknowledge the real problem in the housing market.

The article talks about those who have $2000 a month for a mortgage and the different prices of homes they can afford depending on the interest rate, and how much better it is if they get more home for the buck.

The real problem is most of those people who "have" $2000 a month for a mortgage don't. In reality they can only afford $1200 a month for their mortgage, but they believe they can spend $2000.


But it is there right to have a 5 bedroom 3 1/2 bath house for a 3 person family. I mean would we want them to be inconvenienced by having to share some of the same spaces?
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:10:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: _jjp_

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11

I think it's ridiculous. It doesn't even begin to acknowledge the real problem in the housing market.

The article talks about those who have $2000 a month for a mortgage and the different prices of homes they can afford depending on the interest rate, and how much better it is if they get more home for the buck.

The real problem is most of those people who "have" $2000 a month for a mortgage don't. In reality they can only afford $1200 a month for their mortgage, but they believe they can spend $2000.


But it is there right to have a 5 bedroom 3 1/2 bath house for a 3 person family. I mean would we want them to be inconvenienced by having to share some of the same spaces?

Oh heavens no, how horrible.

I can only imagine what some would think of my little house! 2 bdrm, 1 bath (1 SMALL bath). Works fine for me, so does the SMALL mortgage payment!
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:20:51 AM   
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Guys...

Keep in mind housing markets where a 1 bedroom loft cost the same as a 5 bedroom brick house. My wife and I have one of those $2,000 + mortgages. We can't sell or make any adjustments to live more within our means. Why? Because everything around us costs the same or a lot more.

Heh.

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:23:37 AM   
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Oh heavens no, how horrible.

I can only imagine what some would think of my little house! 2 bdrm, 1 bath (1 SMALL bath). Works fine for me, so does the SMALL mortgage payment!


A friend of mine and his wife are raising two kids in a three bedroom one bath house and they sit down to dinner together every night. I am pretty sure that the happiness and love for each other that they display is all an act :)
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 10:37:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: earthless

Guys...

Keep in mind housing markets where a 1 bedroom loft cost the same as a 5 bedroom brick house. My wife and I have one of those $2,000 + mortgages. We can't sell or make any adjustments to live more within our means. Why? Because everything around us costs the same or a lot more.

Heh.

I'm not complaining about people buying what they can afford, which is different for everyone. Also some people would rather spend more money on more house and others would rather use the same extra money for cars or shopping or savings. It's all personal choice. The $2000 itself isn't a problem. I was talking about those who buy more than they can afford, that's all.
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 11:39:12 AM   
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They are trying to create more demand in a market that is massively flooded with supply.

The major reason many people are getting foreclosed on is the fact that they cannot sell the house for the amount of mortgage they have on it, and sometimes they can't even sell it for an amount that the bank is willing to take in a short sale, which would also clobber their credit.

Nobody really expected the real estate market to go south like this. In the middle of it, people are losing their jobs due to the horrible economy, having to move just to be able to make enough to feed their families. They drained their savings trying to make it through unemployment, they're paying for both their current rental and for the house they left that they simply can't sell. They have to make a choice. Keep a roof over their family's head and food on the table, or pay the mortgage on a house that they don't live in, that has been on the market for months?

What would you pick?

It's a horrible situation all around.

If demand could just be pushed up in the housing market, then it would help a lot.

That being said, I do think that current homeowners should be eligible for refi at those rates, for the sake of fairness.

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 2:53:18 PM   
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They are trying to create more demand in a market that is massively flooded with supply.

The major reason many people are getting foreclosed on is the fact that they cannot sell the house for the amount of mortgage they have on it, and sometimes they can't even sell it for an amount that the bank is willing to take in a short sale, which would also clobber their credit.

Nobody really expected the real estate market to go south like this. In the middle of it, people are losing their jobs due to the horrible economy, having to move just to be able to make enough to feed their families. They drained their savings trying to make it through unemployment, they're paying for both their current rental and for the house they left that they simply can't sell. They have to make a choice. Keep a roof over their family's head and food on the table, or pay the mortgage on a house that they don't live in, that has been on the market for months?

What would you pick?

It's a horrible situation all around.

If demand could just be pushed up in the housing market, then it would help a lot.

That being said, I do think that current homeowners should be eligible for refi at those rates, for the sake of fairness.


Exactly Zhi... They are using tax money and they should make it available for everyone. We have been through hard times and have had to make hard decisions but we have managed to stay current on our mortgage. Why should we be penalized for working hard and keeping up with our payments? If they do this my question for my bank will be how many payments do we have to miss before we qualify? I think that is exactly what this plan will do... it will cause people who have kept up to step back and stop paying so that they will qualify too. I believe it has something to do with Atlas Shrugged. These people, especially Henry Paulson, don't know what they are doing and they are making things worse. We had a dotcom bubble, it burst and the government fixed the dotcom bust by creating a housing bubble, now it has burst and they are trying to fix it with a money bubble... there is nothing available to fix it when the money bubble bursts, and it will. The end is near. I am buying "junk silver" and a few gold coins. Nothing extreme, just a few thousand dollars worth instead of putting it in a 401k. BTW, junk silver is silver coins from the 1930s through 1964. Quarters are good, They are 90% silver and generally worth about 10 bucks for one dollar face value. The price goes up and down. It is available on ebay everyday. Silver coins will hold value and probably gain a lot of value in the next year... when paper money may be worth nothing. It's also not a bad idea to know how to eat without opening a can.

The mess we are in is a lot worse than they are telling us and they cannot fix it. It needs to correct and the more they do, the worse the correction will be.

Life is going to change.

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 3:27:21 PM   
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The only solution to these problems is to kick those who created it
out of office and let someone else manage.

But, we have the very ones who created these problems managing
the funds. Hmmmmm, I'm missing chickens lately, guess I better
hire the fox to guard my hen house.

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 3:36:13 PM   
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What do I tihnk about 4.5% mortgage rates?

I think I'll refinance.



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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 3:36:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

The only solution to these problems is to kick those who created it
out of office and let someone else manage.

But, we have the very ones who created these problems managing
the funds. Hmmmmm, I'm missing chickens lately, guess I better
hire the fox to guard my hen house.

The problem is we did not elect Paulson or Bernanke, so how do we kick them out?
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/5/2008 4:55:08 PM   
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What do I tihnk about 4.5% mortgage rates?

I think I'll refinance.





Unfortunatley, I heard this rate was only available for home purchases and excluded refinancing.
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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/8/2008 5:41:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbow

Of course they will be using your money to do it.

Maybe the snakes will eat the lizards...


quote:

The Treasury Department is considering a plan to revitalize the U.S. home market that would push down interest rates for loans to purchase a home, according to people familiar with the matter. The plan, which is in the development stage, would temporarily use the clout of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to encourage banks to lend at rates as low as 4.5%, more than a full point lower than prevailing rates for standard 30-year fixed-rate mortgages.



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Regardless of price predictions there is another pressing issue. At the core of this it is very simply impossibly unfair to many American homeowners. The Journal makes clear that this program would only be available to home buyers and not those who currently own and are looking to refinance.


http://briansullivan.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2008/12/03/the-government-hopes-the-snakes-can-solve-the-lizard-problem/

J


Key words: "considering" and"planning stage". There are lots of ideas being floated around. None will be completely "fair" (meaning in my best interest). The "Free" Market has been part of the problem, so let's not pretend it will cure itself. Greedy home buyers did not start mortgage companies and write the loans themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around, including HGTV telling us how to get rich "flipping" houses.

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RE: What do you think about 4.5% mortgage rates... (not... - 12/8/2008 10:36:42 PM   
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The "Free" Market has been part of the problem, so let's not pretend it will cure itself. Greedy home buyers did not start mortgage companies and write the loans themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around, including HGTV telling us how to get rich "flipping" houses.
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