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Why Obama - 11/5/2008 8:46:22 PM
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Acts29
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All day today I have heard the reports of people's reactions to the first elected black president. Obama is not the first black candidate for office. He is not the first black democrat candidate. He is not the first black candidate with a college degree to run for office.
What was the difference? I am asking this question sincerely!!
Why Obama?
Was it because he got Oprah's backing?
Was it because he got huge financial funding?
Was it because he was not from the civil right era?
Was it because he also had white parentage?
Was it because "Peggy" believed he would pay her mortgage and put gas in her car?
Was it because people believed he will take from the rich and redistribute it to them?
Why did the black population decide to come out in record numbers for this presidential candidate but not for the others of the past?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 9:15:41 PM
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Why did the black population decide to come out in record numbers for this presidential candidate but not for the others of the past? Because, for better or worse, he was able to connect with them, articulate his positions on issues, and make them believe he cares about them in a way no other black candidate ever has. BTW he IS the first black candidate for PRESIDENT.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 9:27:05 PM
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It's not about just any office for black people-- it's the fact that he's going to be the President. The mentality among those (who I know) who lived through segregations, lynchings, etc. thought this office for a black person would be the most unattainable among all...possibly forever on and on. I think that's what's getting most of the black people with the emotional talk.... I don't even get emotional with stuff like that and I teared up a little. I thought it'd never happen in my lifetime either. :)
I don't think Oprah had much to do with it though; I do think there were people who voted solely based on race...both black people and white people.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 9:42:01 PM
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Why did the black population decide to come out in record numbers for this presidential candidate but not for the others of the past? Because, for better or worse, he was able to connect with them, articulate his positions on issues, and make them believe he cares about them in a way no other black candidate ever has. BTW he IS the first black candidate for PRESIDENT.
No, he is not. He is the first black candidate to represent a party for president....well there is Cynthia McKinney for the green party.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 9:49:05 PM
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Maybe the first black presidential candidate for a *major* party -- I'll concede that.
solo_soprano22, you say you don't think Oprah had much to do with Obama's getting elected. She's actively promoted him frequently to her audience and the masses (mostly minorities and women) on her very popular national television show, plus I'd be curious to know how many of her MILLION$ she poured into Barak's campaign.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 9:49:59 PM
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It's not about just any office for black people-- it's the fact that he's going to be the President. The mentality among those (who I know) who lived through segregations, lynchings, etc. thought this office for a black person would be the most unattainable among all...possibly forever on and on. I think that's what's getting most of the black people with the emotional talk.... I don't even get emotional with stuff like that and I teared up a little. I thought it'd never happen in my lifetime either. :)
I don't think Oprah had much to do with it though; I do think there were people who voted solely based on race...both black people and white people.
This is one area where Obama needed the white vote just as much as the black vote. He could not have won without the white vote. The white voters who voted for Obama did not do it because of skin color. Most of the white voters who voted for McCain did not vote for him because of skin color. I have no idea the percentage of black voters who voted for Obama because of skin color. I know with exit polls it was around 60%. But I am not sure if that is accurate count or not.
But why not Jesse Jackson and the many others who went through the civil rights movement?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:03:34 PM
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Let's talk about what McCain and Palin did to get minorities votes. First, McCain always said that Palin has energized the GOP base. Which she did! However, many minorities are not not Republicans. I think McCain didn't reach out enough and try to talk to minorities and make a connection with them. Many minorities do not like Bush and McCain failed to show us how he was different. Just like many people in this forum are leery of Obama, I'm was not convinced about Mccain. I think this played a part in why so many minorities (not just black) voted for Obama. Obama had a message and he stuck with it. Rather you believe it, like it, or agree with it his message, many people were inspired by Obama. Yes, i will be the first to admit that my grandmother was happy with the fact that he was black. However, my grandmother took her vote very seriously and she truly believes in Obama. She was not a fan of Bush and McCain failed to tell her what he do differently. She wanted a change just like many other people. Believe it or not Obama had to work to win the black vote. You even said yourself, Why Obama? It was not a given that Obama would win the black vote because he was black. If that was the case we would have voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson a long time ago. 
Obama shared his policies with millions of people of all races. He had to appeal to all people. I truly believe that McCain didn't care about my vote. It was like he already gave up on minorities votes from the beginning and pegged minorities to only vote on race and not the issues. I felt insulted. If he would have put up a fight, campaigned more in areas with higher minorities, fought for our vote, people would have voted for him. I think I read that there were only 60% of Americans who voted. What about the other 40%? There are plenty of black people who didn't vote at all because they didn't agree with Obama but McCain never came and tried to earn their vote. He wrote us off from the very start and I think that is why Obama has an overwhelming amount of support rom black people.
This is just my two cents.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:15:34 PM
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Oh, I just wanted to add that I'm not dening that there were quite a few black people who voted solely on race. I won't deny that. However, I just want people to quit lumping all black people in one category. We can read and make informed decisions. I know people who voted for McCain who are black and they are still happy that Obama was elected. This is a day that many people thought would never happen.
You mentioned Jesse Jackson, and I feel many people black, white, etc would not vote for him because I feel like he was running solely on his race. Throughout this race, Barack rarely brought up the fact that he was half black. Jesse Jackson (in my opinion) is the type of person who would run for president and send off the vibe that just because he's black I have to vote for him. I think that's the difference. Also, I respect Jesse Jackson and all of his work he has done during the civil right movement but I feel like if he wanted to be President he wouldn't do it because he has a clear vision for the country but because he wanted to make history.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:33:11 PM
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Let's talk about what McCain and Palin did to get minorities votes. First, McCain always said that Palin has energized the GOP base. Which she did! However, many minorities are not not Republicans. I think McCain didn't reach out enough and try to talk to minorities and make a connection with them. Many minorities do not like Bush and McCain failed to show us how he was different. Just like many people in this forum are leery of Obama, I'm was not convinced about Mccain. I think this played a part in why so many minorities (not just black) voted for Obama. Obama had a message and he stuck with it. Rather you believe it, like it, or agree with it his message, many people were inspired by Obama. Yes, i will be the first to admit that my grandmother was happy with the fact that he was black. However, my grandmother took her vote very seriously and she truly believes in Obama. She was not a fan of Bush and McCain failed to tell her what he do differently. She wanted a change just like many other people. Believe it or not Obama had to work to win the black vote. You even said yourself, Why Obama? It was not a given that Obama would win the black vote because he was black. If that was the case we would have voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson a long time ago.
Obama shared his policies with millions of people of all races. He had to appeal to all people. I truly believe that McCain didn't care about my vote. It was like he already gave up on minorities votes from the beginning and pegged minorities to only vote on race and not the issues. I felt insulted. If he would have put up a fight, campaigned more in areas with higher minorities, fought for our vote, people would have voted for him. I think I read that there were only 60% of Americans who voted. What about the other 40%? There are plenty of black people who didn't vote at all because they didn't agree with Obama but McCain never came and tried to earn their vote. He wrote us off from the very start and I think that is why Obama has an overwhelming amount of support rom black people.
This is just my two cents.
My question is not between MCain and Obama and the black vote.
In my OP I stated that people are celebrating the first black president. My point is that this is not the first opportunity for the democratic or republican party to have a black candidate to represent the party. My question is why Obama and not one of the previous candidates. Alan Keyes for example he is also a Harvard grad. He is likeable, he is a very good communicator and he has ran for president before. Although Alan Keyes is a conservative.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:41:54 PM
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All day today I have heard the reports of people's reactions to the first elected black president. Obama is not the first black candidate for office. He is not the first black democrat candidate. He is not the first black candidate with a college degree to run for office.
What was the difference? I am asking this question sincerely!!
Why Obama?
Was it because he got Oprah's backing?
Was it because he got huge financial funding?
Was it because he was not from the civil right era?
Was it because he also had white parentage?
Was it because "Peggy" believed he would pay her mortgage and put gas in her car?
Was it because people believed he will take from the rich and redistribute it to them?
Why did the black population decide to come out in record numbers for this presidential candidate but not for the others of the past?
This is interesting because I had a conversation with a couple who had worked quite a few democratic campaigns in the past. I don't think that Obama was elected because of Oprah, civil rights, white parentage, or any of those things. And when we were talking, they didn't mention those things either. I think Obama simply had the best strategy and the best message. It wasn't simply because he was black - because if that were the case, McKinney (who ran this year), Sharpton, Keyes, or for that matter Fulani would have gotten farther than they did. And, if you remember - the black community heavily favored Hilary Clinton in the beginning. I think that he would have gotten a lot of the black vote regardless of his race - just like there was record turn out of the youth vote - and that cuts across racial lines.
Basically, his campaign was well run, he was a hands on administrator, they had a great strategy for turning out the vote, they used technology masterfully. Once you signed up for his campaign, you were made aware of lots of opportunities to serve and to give. And lots of people want to be part of the political process - they want to be able to help in some small capacity. I've always wanted to do it - but didn't always know how to participate. This campaign made it easy - a click of the mouse, a quick trip to the campaign office in your section of the city, and before you know it, you are in business - canvassing or making phone calls or whatever. If you only have an hour - they'll use you for that long - if you have 4 hours - great - you can do more. He energized and expanded the base, and he was able to didn't allow the republicans to dictate what he would and would not respond to. Instead, he stayed consistent, on message - had a message that resonated with many people, ignored some republican charges and responded forcefully to others. He also played to his strengths - which was speaking to people, listening to them, responding. These were the skills he developed as a community organizer. He also chose a running mate that would compensate for areas in which he was weak, and he compensates for areas in which Biden is weak. And to top it off, he was an excellent fund-raiser. All of this, plus the fact that people were getting a consistent message from him, whearas (at least in my view) McCain's campaign wasn't - helped him to win.
Add all of this to the fact that Bush is unpopular, the Iraq war, and our economic woes - and you get record turnout among different groups of voters for President Obama.
By the way - you mentioned Alan Keyes. I considered Keyes strongly - I am black and tend to split the ticket when I vote (I did this year too). Originally, Keyes was good. But as I was looking at him this year and in the past couple of years - there were some things that gave me pause - particularly during debates. One thing that I had an issue with was his temperament - if you watch the debate that Keyes had with Obama a few years back on YouTube, you might see what I mean. Also there are a quite a few black people who are conservative; but conservatives generally don't talk to them. I'm not sure if part of this is a remnant of the Southern Strategy that was employed during the 70s (or even if that is still in effect). So, many black people might not necessarily take part in the primaries - particularly if they are only open to Republican. So, unless white republicans vote for a black republican in the primary (which has not happened yet), there is no black republican candidate in the general election.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:44:40 PM
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Let's talk about what McCain and Palin did to get minorities votes. First, McCain always said that Palin has energized the GOP base. Which she did! However, many minorities are not not Republicans. I think McCain didn't reach out enough and try to talk to minorities and make a connection with them. Many minorities do not like Bush and McCain failed to show us how he was different. Just like many people in this forum are leery of Obama, I'm was not convinced about Mccain. I think this played a part in why so many minorities (not just black) voted for Obama. Obama had a message and he stuck with it. Rather you believe it, like it, or agree with it his message, many people were inspired by Obama. Yes, i will be the first to admit that my grandmother was happy with the fact that he was black. However, my grandmother took her vote very seriously and she truly believes in Obama. She was not a fan of Bush and McCain failed to tell her what he do differently. She wanted a change just like many other people. Believe it or not Obama had to work to win the black vote. You even said yourself, Why Obama? It was not a given that Obama would win the black vote because he was black. If that was the case we would have voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson a long time ago.
Obama shared his policies with millions of people of all races. He had to appeal to all people. I truly believe that McCain didn't care about my vote. It was like he already gave up on minorities votes from the beginning and pegged minorities to only vote on race and not the issues. I felt insulted. If he would have put up a fight, campaigned more in areas with higher minorities, fought for our vote, people would have voted for him. I think I read that there were only 60% of Americans who voted. What about the other 40%? There are plenty of black people who didn't vote at all because they didn't agree with Obama but McCain never came and tried to earn their vote. He wrote us off from the very start and I think that is why Obama has an overwhelming amount of support rom black people.
This is just my two cents.
I think John McCain could have reached out to African Americans and gotten nowhere and he knew it. How many of their votes went to George Bush in 2000 and 2004? How many went to HW Bush in '88 or Reagan in '80 and 84? Very few. They predominantly vote Democratic. Now add on the fact that John McCain is 72yrs. old with several war injuries that sometimes make him look older rather than injured and place him next to a young, tall and slender, charismatic African American man and I highly doubt that they would be moved to vote for him. It would have been a waste of his time to try to reach out. I also think that John McCain treats most people the same way. To have gone out of his way to try and connect with African Americans would have seemed like he was treating them differently to try to get their votes and it might have come across as insincere. The media already accused him of not knowing how many houses he has. They made it almost impossible for him to try to relate to any of us when in actuality, I think he's more like us than Barack Obama, who grew up with a lot of identity issues which led him to study a lot of radicals, not to mention, his mother was somewhat radical. Anyway, I think John McCain is much more down to earth whereas Obama is more of an elitist. Obama simply had a gift of being able to speak eloquently and was able to make people think he could relate to them. Just my opinion.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:51:25 PM
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What about the money?
He had Hollywood support. He received a lot of press because it was Hollywood and celebrities. Could this have played a part in the election.
The black population did register to vote in record numbers unlike previous elections.
Do you think it was the promises he made. The wealth redistribution, it is not fair speeches?? The way "Peggy the voter" understood these messages.
As I have said in an earlier post. He also got a good number of the white vote, so his message went beyond the black voters. This time the black voters decided to come out and register to vote of Obama. I am not sure about the numbers regarding when the black voter registered to vote. BUT I believe the registered black voters increased tremendously after Obama was selected for the dem. party rather than before.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:56:05 PM
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Let's talk about what McCain and Palin did to get minorities votes. First, McCain always said that Palin has energized the GOP base. Which she did! However, many minorities are not not Republicans. I think McCain didn't reach out enough and try to talk to minorities and make a connection with them. Many minorities do not like Bush and McCain failed to show us how he was different. Just like many people in this forum are leery of Obama, I'm was not convinced about Mccain. I think this played a part in why so many minorities (not just black) voted for Obama. Obama had a message and he stuck with it. Rather you believe it, like it, or agree with it his message, many people were inspired by Obama. Yes, i will be the first to admit that my grandmother was happy with the fact that he was black. However, my grandmother took her vote very seriously and she truly believes in Obama. She was not a fan of Bush and McCain failed to tell her what he do differently. She wanted a change just like many other people. Believe it or not Obama had to work to win the black vote. You even said yourself, Why Obama? It was not a given that Obama would win the black vote because he was black. If that was the case we would have voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson a long time ago.
Obama shared his policies with millions of people of all races. He had to appeal to all people. I truly believe that McCain didn't care about my vote. It was like he already gave up on minorities votes from the beginning and pegged minorities to only vote on race and not the issues. I felt insulted. If he would have put up a fight, campaigned more in areas with higher minorities, fought for our vote, people would have voted for him. I think I read that there were only 60% of Americans who voted. What about the other 40%? There are plenty of black people who didn't vote at all because they didn't agree with Obama but McCain never came and tried to earn their vote. He wrote us off from the very start and I think that is why Obama has an overwhelming amount of support rom black people.
This is just my two cents.
I think John McCain could have reached out to African Americans and gotten nowhere and he knew it. How many of their votes went to George Bush in 2000 and 2004? How many went to HW Bush in '88 or Reagan in '80 and 84? Very few. They predominantly vote Democratic. Now add on the fact that John McCain is 72yrs. old with several war injuries that sometimes make him look older rather than injured and place him next to a young, tall and slender, charismatic African American man and I highly doubt that they would be moved to vote for him. It would have been a waste of his time to try to reach out. I also think that John McCain treats most people the same way. To have gone out of his way to try and connect with African Americans would have seemed like he was treating them differently to try to get their votes and it might have come across as insincere. The media already accused him of not knowing how many houses he has. They made it almost impossible for him to try to relate to any of us when in actuality, I think he's more like us than Barack Obama, who grew up with a lot of identity issues which led him to study a lot of radicals, not to mention, his mother was somewhat radical. Anyway, I think John McCain is much more down to earth whereas Obama is more of an elitist. Obama simply had a gift of being able to speak eloquently and was able to make people think he could relate to them. Just my opinion.
I have to respect your opinion. I understand where you are coming from and I do want to clarify that I didn't want McCain to give black people special favors. I'm sorry if you were confused. I just wanted McCain to campaign in areas with a higher minority population. Obama campagined just about everywhere. I do agree, that this is a catch 22 for McCain because if he did try to reach out and he didn't look sincere the media would have jumped all over him.
However, lets take Indiana for example (this is my home state) we went blue for the first time since 1964. Obama campigned in Indiana over 49 times throughout the course of the election. He fought for our vote. Had he had the same mindset and said, oh that's just a state that will go red, we probably would have. He worked hard to changed minds and I think that is why Obama won.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:56:55 PM
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What about the money?
He had Hollywood support. He received a lot of press because it was Hollywood and celebrities. Could this have played a part in the election.
The black population did register to vote in record numbers unlike previous elections.
Do you think it was the promises he made. The wealth redistribution, it is not fair speeches?? The way "Peggy the voter" understood these messages.
As I have said in an earlier post. He also got a good number of the white vote, so his message went beyond the black voters. This time the black voters decided to come out and register to vote of Obama. I am not sure about the numbers regarding when the black voter registered to vote. BUT I believe the registered black voters increased tremendously after Obama was selected for the dem. party rather than before.
Money of course was a factor because it allowed him to get his message out. But had his message not been consistent - this could have backfired. "Wealth redistribution" would resonate with many people who are not wealthy - not only black people. As I said before, black people didn't support him overwhelmingly at first - but it was the overall message and strategy that led to increased registrations. And black people was only a part of that - there was also a lot of youth registration and voting as well. Plus, the republicans have alienated themselves from a significant portion of the hispanics because of the immigration issue; so a lot of them voted democrat this election as well.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 10:58:25 PM
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I don't think that Obama was elected because of Oprah, civil rights, white parentage, or any of those things. And when we were talking, they didn't mention those things either. I think Obama simply had the best strategy and the best message. It wasn't simply because he was black - because if that were the case, McKinney (who ran this year), Sharpton, Keyes, or for that matter Fulani would have gotten farther than they did. And, if you remember - the black community heavily favored Hilary Clinton in the beginning. I think that he would have gotten a lot of the black vote regardless of his race - just like there was record turn out of the youth vote - and that cuts across racial lines.
I think you make a couple good points here.
1st Obama preached change. As much as I don't think he is qualified, he hasn't been in politics at the national level as long as McCain has. Obama is relatively new and fresh.
2nd Obama is smart. he went after NEW voters. he energized young people. Obama got young people excited about politics.
3. Obama is not trying to preach religion. I think people are really scared of the Christian right. They are scared of religion period.
4. Republicans messed up. McCain should have voted against the bailout, to be a true Maverick.
I think we have to wake up on these forums and see what's really there. Republicans need to get on the same page. and they are not.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 11:05:58 PM
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No, he is not. He is the first black candidate to represent a party for president....well there is Cynthia McKinney for the green party. She has never been on my ballot that I can recall. So I'll go along with the first black candidate of a *major* party.
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But why not Jesse Jackson and the many others who went through the civil rights movement? Well the only one I remember running was Jesse Jackson and he was so over the top radical that he scared people instead of inspiring them.
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Alan Keyes for example he is also a Harvard grad. He is likeable, he is a very good communicator and he has ran for president before. Although Alan Keyes is a conservative. Alan Keyes is an EXTREME RIGHT conservative. They cannot win elections. They can't get past the primaries.
As much as the conservatives would like to believe that Obama is way way left, he really isn't. You'll see.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/5/2008 11:30:46 PM
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I think people are really scared of the Christian right.
I think this is true. Christians on the right are often painted as nuts. I can't tell you how many videos and clips that I saw of Christians on the right that seemed daft, clueless, or just plain nuts. Of course, the christians who had substantive reasons for why they weren't voting for Obama were rarely shown. While I voted for Obama and I supported him, I felt that the way that republican Christians were painted was pretty biased.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:03:43 AM
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Why Obama? Timing.
I can look at his campaign and see stuff that worked. I can look at McCain's campaign and see stuff that didn't work. But, ultimately, it was timing.
After 8 years of Bush the Republican party had barely a chance of winning. Any candidate that might have a chance in 2012 dropped out early. McCain was the only one left to fight on. McCain was the Republican party's sacrificial lamb. I think he did far far better than anyone expected. A democrat was going to win...thus the long, drawn out battle between Hilary and Obama.
After 8 years of Bush, the war in Iraq and the failing economy, Americans are desparate for change. The desire for change finally outweighed the propensity for staying safe with the same.
And, ultimately, God's timing. As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:07:36 AM
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If you're looking for reasons outside of general Obama awesometude, look no further than Sarah Palin.
Apparently, Obama started trending upward in the polls after Palin was an idiot in the Couric interview. People probably started paying more and more attention to her antics (shopping spreeeeeee!!!!) after that, and it probably snowballed. At the very least, it helped Obama a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc
Why she's such a darling to some of you, I really don't get. That Africa stuff is just gravy.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:08:41 AM
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Because, for better or worse, he was able to connect with them, articulate his positions on issues, and make them believe he cares about them in a way no other black candidate ever has. BTW he IS the first black candidate for PRESIDENT.
Can I just get this off my chest? He is bi-racial not black. It really irritates me that the media and the campaign pushed the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT thing when in actuality he is mixed. If his skin was white (like his mom) would he still be in office. Possibly because he a good speaker and told the country what it wanted to hear. But I am not 100% sure.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:11:52 AM
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My husband brought forth an interesting point last night. His thought is that people are fickle. After about 10 years, a party's administration starts wearing thin. It didn't bring about the utopia people wanted. There are problems (many of which a president isn't responsible for anyway), and the opposing party suddenly looks like a party of change to fix those problems. The opposing party is in office about 10 years, and once again, people get tired of the policies. New problems arise, and another change is in order.
Let's face it - government will never be perfect nor fix all problems. And people are never satisfied for long with an "okay but not perfect" government.
I didn't articulate that as well as he did last night, but I think you get the gist.
Does anyone know the longest time one party has been in the White House?
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:13:53 AM
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There are problems (many of which a president isn't responsible for anyway), and the opposing party suddenly looks like a party of change to fix those problems.
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There are problems (many of which a president isn't responsible for anyway), and the opposing party suddenly looks like a party of change to fix those problems.
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First black candidate - 11/6/2008 10:14:04 AM
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Carol Mosley Braun, Black woman former US senator from Illinois, ran as a democrat for President in 2004.
Who is Carl Mosley Braun? She is now a pig farmer.
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RE: First black candidate - 11/6/2008 10:17:28 AM
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ta_mosquito
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djv - she wasn't on the final ballot, though.
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RE: Why Obama - 11/6/2008 10:18:11 AM
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As Christians, we must never forget that God controls who's in power and who's not. God raised Obama up for HIS plan and HIS purpose for this time.
Even in a democracy? I always assumed that a democracy (representative or otherwise) was just a collective exercise of free will (assuming a minimum of shenanigans), which (free will) I assumed God tended to abstain from affecting.
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