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Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 9:21:15 AM
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csl7037
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I know a registration is not the same, and does not automatically equal a vote. But, given all the news of voter registration fraud in so many states, will you trust the results of this election whatever they are?
I think John McCain and the Republican party would not want to throw the kind of fit that Al Gore and the Democrats did in 2000, and I doubt they will even if maybe they should - but should they?
There's no way to think all these issues will be resolved in the next couple of weeks. How can any of us trust the system when it's so obviously broken and being abused. Do we have a choice?
This mess, even more than the threat of impending socialism, is what makes me think our system of government is endangered. Can we recover what the Founding Fathers envisioned or is it lost forever?
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 9:54:13 AM
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I know a registration is not the same, and does not automatically equal a vote. But, given all the news of voter registration fraud in so many states, will you trust the results of this election whatever they are?
No. I know the Obama has dead people that have already cast votes for him. One woman said her friend voted Obama on her "husband's absentee" balot because he was overseas and she knew he was going to vote for McCain. She was on the radio wanting to know what she was suppose to do about the voter fraud of her friend.
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 11:42:21 AM
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If Obama wins (and I have come to believe he will, much to my dismay), I truly believe John McCain will take the high road and concede the race fairly quickly, at least by the 5th, to allow time for those battleground states to show better results. I think McCain is above the sort of back & forth we (those of us who remember!) saw back in 2000.
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 12:01:08 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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If Obama wins (and I have come to believe he will, much to my dismay), I truly believe John McCain will take the high road and concede the race fairly quickly, at least by the 5th, to allow time for those battleground states to show better results. I think McCain is above the sort of back & forth we (those of us who remember!) saw back in 2000.
I agree, EStan.
And will I trust the results? Nope.
Again, as I said in another thread, the whole voter/voting fraud issue may just be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. I believe this may be the last free election in the US of A. Or at the very least, one of the last ones.
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 1:00:48 PM
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csl7037
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If Obama wins (and I have come to believe he will, much to my dismay), I truly believe John McCain will take the high road and concede the race fairly quickly, at least by the 5th, to allow time for those battleground states to show better results. I think McCain is above the sort of back & forth we (those of us who remember!) saw back in 2000.
I agree, EStan.
And will I trust the results? Nope.
Again, as I said in another thread, the whole voter/voting fraud issue may just be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. I believe this may be the last free election in the US of A. Or at the very least, one of the last ones.
Given that, should he concede? Do we have to just let democracy die because it's the democratic (small d) thing to do? Our forefathers weren't the kind of men and women who just sat back and accepted injustice, they fought to forge something new, something better. But have we lost that? Have we become people incapable of that - did they make us incapable of that by the system they fought to create for us?
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 1:09:43 PM
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EStan
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ORIGINAL: EStan
If Obama wins (and I have come to believe he will, much to my dismay), I truly believe John McCain will take the high road and concede the race fairly quickly, at least by the 5th, to allow time for those battleground states to show better results. I think McCain is above the sort of back & forth we (those of us who remember!) saw back in 2000.
I agree, EStan.
And will I trust the results? Nope.
Again, as I said in another thread, the whole voter/voting fraud issue may just be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. I believe this may be the last free election in the US of A. Or at the very least, one of the last ones.
Given that, should he concede? Do we have to just let democracy die because it's the democratic (small d) thing to do? Our forefathers weren't the kind of men and women who just sat back and accepted injustice, they fought to forge something new, something better. But have we lost that? Have we become people incapable of that - did they make us incapable of that by the system they fought to create for us?
It's a tough question, I know. If Obama wins - given all that we've read the past few weeks about voter registration fraud - does that mean the "fix was in"? Ultimately, I think McCain will do what he feels is best for the nation - as he has done, serving this great country, for the last 50+ years.
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Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 1:13:02 PM
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I think people will live with the results.
My concern is the exit polls and the media predictions. The 2000 Florida fiasco was the result of the media relying on faulting exit polls. And I think this year exit polls are going to be worthless. A whole bunch of people will say they voted for Obama when they didn't. And many will say they voted for McCain when they didn't.
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RE: Will you trust the results? - 10/22/2008 1:29:13 PM
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I'll trust the election results, but I do not trust the polls.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 1:34:08 PM
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Right now we're poised on a knife edge. Should Obama win (and absent a miracle of God, that win seems inevitable), we as the Church will need the Lord's help more than ever. In other words, when the jackbooted PC thugs are given free reign, churches--as well as individual Christians (CINOs excluded, of course)--will have to decide if guaranteed jail time is worth our faith.
Should our Republic survive the next four years (highly unlikely, given Obama's almost mesmerizing abilities over the populace), I think we'll come back stronger. But that's a big if. Older--and larger--empires than ours have faded into obscurity. It may well fit into God's ultimate plan to have ours go that way as well.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 1:40:21 PM
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Right now we're poised on a knife edge. Should Obama win (and absent a miracle of God, that win seems inevitable), we as the Church will need the Lord's help more than ever. In other words, when the jackbooted PC thugs are given free reign, churches--as well as individual Christians (CINOs excluded, of course)--will have to decide if guaranteed jail time is worth our faith.
I don't think we're quite to that point. I think they'll stick to the subtlety that's gotten them this far - and most will continue to not even see it coming. I don't see "jail time" in our foreseeable future - but opression and persectution for sure.
Should our Republic survive the next four years (highly unlikely, given Obama's almost mesmerizing abilities over the populace), I think we'll come back stronger. But that's a big if. Older--and larger--empires than ours have faded into obscurity. It may well fit into God's ultimate plan to have ours go that way as well.
I think you're probably right on this one, though.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 2:22:41 PM
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I don't think I will trust the results, especially with an Obamessiah win. The "fix" is obviously in, considering the amount of fraud already discovered in the Acorn mess, and they've only barely scratched the surface. And I'm sure that the investigation will "prove to be too lengthy, time consuming, expensive, and 'unfair', in some way, to 'the poor and/or disadvantaged' to ever be completed."
We need to go back to the way voting used to be - you registered at some point before voting. You needed to be in the state for 6 months(?) before the election, in your current address for several months before the election. You needed to prove who you were and where you lived. No early voting, except for absentee ballots issued only to military and a few others. At the voting location, you needed to present identification. People couldn't get away with voting many times, dead people couldn't cast a ballot or two, pets couldn't vote, etc.
I'm sure we'll have to put up with whatever the outcome is, but this whole registration mess is so fraudulent, I'm getting sick just writing this piece.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 2:29:04 PM
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Today on the news, the pepole that are early voting, check this out.. One lady looked at the receipt that was printed out from her electronic voting, and even though she was sure she hit the democrat button, she is claiming that the machine CHANGED her vote to republican.
so now there is going to be problems with the voting itself!! sheesh..
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 2:31:18 PM
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SuspenseWriter
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I don't think we're quite to that point. I think they'll stick to the subtlety that's gotten them this far - and most will continue to not even see it coming. I don't see "jail time" in our foreseeable future - but opression and persectution for sure.
Possibly not jail time for us rank and file Christians, at least not yet. But jail time for pastors? I think that's a given.
All the pastor will have to do is preach against homosexuality, or refuse to perfom a gay wedding, and he'll be slapped with a "hate crimes" judgment quicker than he can spit. Then he'll have to decide for himself if the price tag for civil disobedience is worth his losing his license, or worse.
For the rest of us? Our time is coming.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 2:35:39 PM
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If McCain wins I will trust the results. If Obama wins I will not. I see no evidence of the right cheating but I see the left cheating everywhere. Many on the left are lawless and will do anything to win, it is just their way. Also, if McCain wins you can look for violence and riots. You will also hear cries of racism. if McCain wins.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 2:46:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: csl7037
I don't think we're quite to that point. I think they'll stick to the subtlety that's gotten them this far - and most will continue to not even see it coming. I don't see "jail time" in our foreseeable future - but opression and persectution for sure.
Possibly not jail time for us rank and file Christians, at least not yet. But jail time for pastors? I think that's a given.
All the pastor will have to do is preach against homosexuality, or refuse to perfom a gay wedding, and he'll be slapped with a "hate crimes" judgment quicker than he can spit. Then he'll have to decide for himself if the price tag for civil disobedience is worth his losing his license, or worse.
For the rest of us? Our time is coming.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 7:12:24 PM
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relady
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Today on the news, the pepole that are early voting, check this out.. One lady looked at the receipt that was printed out from her electronic voting, and even though she was sure she hit the democrat button, she is claiming that the machine CHANGED her vote to republican.
so now there is going to be problems with the voting itself!! sheesh.. This is not a new issue, these problems have been there since these machines were introduced because they are easily hackable. In fact, one Republican Congressman (Feeney) in Florida asked a programmer to write code that would change votes from Dem to Repub and then have the code eat itself so that it would be untraceable.
Voter fraud is not limited to the Democratic party, my friends. Both parties have their issues.
No, the machines are not reliable.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 8:20:27 PM
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sue244
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If McCain wins I will trust the results. If Obama wins I will not. I see no evidence of the right cheating but I see the left cheating everywhere. Many on the left are lawless and will do anything to win, it is just their way. Also, if McCain wins you can look for violence and riots. You will also hear cries of racism. if McCain wins.
J
I agree with this
And for those who are saying its a hopless cause for McCain to win, the AP poll that just came out has them neck and neck 48 to 47 Obama with 3 point margin of error.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 8:20:29 PM
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Yes I will trust the results either way. The day I become so cynical that I think my votes don't count is the day I walk away from the whole Great Experiment all together.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/22/2008 8:32:14 PM
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Today on the news, the pepole that are early voting, check this out.. One lady looked at the receipt that was printed out from her electronic voting, and even though she was sure she hit the democrat button, she is claiming that the machine CHANGED her vote to republican.
so now there is going to be problems with the voting itself!! sheesh.. This is not a new issue, these problems have been there since these machines were introduced because they are easily hackable. In fact, one Republican Congressman (Feeney) in Florida asked a programmer to write code that would change votes from Dem to Repub and then have the code eat itself so that it would be untraceable.
Voter fraud is not limited to the Democratic party, my friends. Both parties have their issues.
No, the machines are not reliable.
In Chicago, you verify your votes on an electronic summary screen. Then you have to verify each page of a paper backup before your vote is registered.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/23/2008 9:35:29 AM
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this is interesting - today on AOL, the polls are getting better for mccain. and the comments after the article on AOL are favoring mccain, and making fun of obama.
previously they comments were all making fun of mccain. and the polls were more positive for obama.
i tell you, we wont know anything until the real votes are happening.
but i also see a big issue happening that is being talked about in the news, with the ACORN voter registration fraud, and this talk about the machines acting weird or not even working.
i betcha (oops i soud like Palin again).... that the night of Nov 4th and Nov 5th, there will be some crisis that they will have major problems at some voting areas, where stuff is not going to work and they will have to hand-count everythign.. like the chad problem in Florida a few years ago.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/23/2008 10:17:07 AM
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I will trust the results once they are in, but I believe it is going to take a ouple of days before we get the results. In that time we are going to be subject to a whole lot of "speculation as fact" pronouncements what the results "will" be.
I still believe that this election is going to be a lot closer than many are going to be comfortable with.
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RE: Exit Polls - 10/23/2008 10:41:49 AM
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but i also see a big issue happening that is being talked about in the news, with the ACORN voter registration fraud, and this talk about the machines acting weird or not even working.
i betcha (oops i soud like Palin again).... that the night of Nov 4th and Nov 5th, there will be some crisis that they will have major problems at some voting areas, where stuff is not going to work and they will have to hand-count everythign.. like the chad problem in Florida a few years ago.
Greetings
Here is some more older news on how bias Fox News is on voter registration fraud,
Ken Blackwell on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes (09/30/08)
http://www.frcaction.org/in-the-news
For is a good one for all of of us to see
http://www.valuevotersusa.com/
LG
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