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Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/27/2008 7:57:52 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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Interesting question, don't you think?
Would an endorsement by, say Osama bin Laden, be a help or hinderance to Obama?
At first, I thought it would hurt him. Then I thought about the type of folks that support Obama. From such an endorsement, they may get the impression that Osama would be saying, "I like him...I could work peaceably with him and end the war!"
What do you think?
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/27/2008 8:07:16 PM
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I think it could be spun either way. If Osama endorsed Obama it could be said that he's a military wimp that they'd prefer or it could be spun as a negative endorsement to affect his voter count....but that doesn't make sense as John McCain has proven the backbone to stand up against tyrannts and terrorists.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/27/2008 8:12:12 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I think it could be spun either way.
My thoughts, too.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/27/2008 8:15:46 PM
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Peter, you got it exactly right. 0bama could rob a bank, and he would be hailed as Robin Hood. An 0sama endorsement woul be swallowed by the left exactly as you described it: "Oh, what a wonderful messiah we have, the terrorists will sit down and work with him!".
0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
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Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/27/2008 10:10:56 PM
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Peter, you got it exactly right. 0bama could rob a bank, and he would be hailed as Robin Hood. An 0sama endorsement woul be swallowed by the left exactly as you described it: "Oh, what a wonderful messiah we have, the terrorists will sit down and work with him!".
That makes as much sense as saying the McCain can paint a swastica on the white house and the McCainites and Palinites would be hailing the improvement on the white house. Only the far right has swallowed the spin that Obama is some sort of messiah figure.
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0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
While you are by all means, entitled to your opinion, there are others who look at those who would support the greatest liar in American politics and the man most likely to cause WWIII and his beauty queen side-kick with utter disbelief.
Perhaps the Republican party will bomb one of our cities and blame it on al-quaida in hopes of scaring up votes for McCain. I wouldn't put it past them. What's a couple of thousand lives when an electin is at stake.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/27/2008 10:46:02 PM
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That makes as much sense as saying the McCain can paint a swastica on the white house and the McCainites and Palinites would be hailing the improvement on the white house. Only the far right has swallowed the spin that Obama is some sort of messiah figure.
That's not true; even the mainstream press has ocasionally noted that many followers of Obama are messianic. Even Hillary noted it; are you accusing her of being 'far right'?
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While you are by all means, entitled to your opinion, there are others who look at those who would support the greatest liar in American politics and the man most likely to cause WWIII and his beauty queen side-kick with utter disbelief.
Perhaps the Republican party will bomb one of our cities and blame it on al-quaida in hopes of scaring up votes for McCain. I wouldn't put it past them. What's a couple of thousand lives when an electin is at stake.
Oh, please, every lefty since LBJ ran for office has claimed if you didn't elect a Democrat, WWIII would result. They said the same idiotic things about Reagan. Even if you buy the lame the Democratic schtick that McCain=Bush, Bush didn't cause WWIII, nor was he even close, so you argument fails.
The last person to actually almost cause WWIII was a young JFK, and Obama's running mate has promised us a repeat - so if you are looking for a reason to locate your nearest bomb shelter, you need look no farther than the latest poll numbers.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/27/2008 10:46:19 PM
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Peter, you got it exactly right. 0bama could rob a bank, and he would be hailed as Robin Hood. An 0sama endorsement woul be swallowed by the left exactly as you described it: "Oh, what a wonderful messiah we have, the terrorists will sit down and work with him!".
That makes as much sense as saying the McCain can paint a swastica on the white house and the McCainites and Palinites would be hailing the improvement on the white house. Only the far right has swallowed the spin that Obama is some sort of messiah figure.
Nice try. Need I direct you to the http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ again? 0bama is an self-important socialist who does nothing to stop the messiah image that he himself helped create. You have demonstrated yet again your complete lack of understanding about the difference between the right and the left.
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0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
While you are by all means, entitled to your opinion, there are others who look at those who would support the greatest liar in American politics and the man most likely to cause WWIII and his beauty queen side-kick with utter disbelief.
I wouldn't exactly call Joe Biden a "Beauty Queen".
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 8:48:24 AM
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The last person to actually almost cause WWIII was a young JFK, and Obama's running mate has promised us a repeat - so if you are looking for a reason to locate your nearest bomb shelter, you need look no farther than the latest poll numbers.
A couple of things about your assumptions -
About Biden's remarks -
Pentagon Panel: Biden Was Right, Prep for 'Crisis'
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From Kennedy (Bay of Pigs) to Johnson (Gulf of Tonkin) to Bush (9/11)," too many presidents were ill prepared for this," Bayer warns.
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• In 1969 Nixon had the Vietnam War
• In 1977 Carter had the energy crisis
• In 1981 Reagan survived an assassination attempt.
• In 1993 Clinton had the first World Trade Center attack.
As for the Cuban Missle Crisis -
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Unanimously, the Joint Chiefs of Staff agreed that a full-scale attack and invasion was the only solution. They agreed that the Soviets would not act to stop the U.S. from conquering Cuba; Kennedy was skeptical, saying:
They, no more than we, can let these things go by without doing something. They can't, after all their statements, permit us to take out their missiles, kill a lot of Russians, and then do nothing. If they don't take action in Cuba, they certainly will in Berlin.
Kennedy concluded that attacking by air would signal the Soviets to presume "a clear line" to conquer Berlin. Adding that in taking such an action, the United States' allies would think of the U.S. as "trigger-happy cowboys" who lost Berlin because they could not peacefully resolve the Cuban situation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
Jhud - You seem to have a shaky, or slanted, knowledge of history.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 9:34:28 AM
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Also -
• In 1969 Nixon had the Vietnam War
• In 1977 Carter had the energy crisis
• In 1981 Reagan survived an assassination attempt.
• In 1993 Clinton had the first World Trade Center attack.
As for the Cuban Missle Crisis -
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Unanimously, the Joint Chiefs of Staff agreed that a full-scale attack and invasion was the only solution. They agreed that the Soviets would not act to stop the U.S. from conquering Cuba; Kennedy was skeptical, saying:
They, no more than we, can let these things go by without doing something. They can't, after all their statements, permit us to take out their missiles, kill a lot of Russians, and then do nothing. If they don't take action in Cuba, they certainly will in Berlin.
Kennedy concluded that attacking by air would signal the Soviets to presume "a clear line" to conquer Berlin. Adding that in taking such an action, the United States' allies would think of the U.S. as "trigger-happy cowboys" who lost Berlin because they could not peacefully resolve the Cuban situation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
SOme off the mark non relevant examples you got there.
1. Already in effect
2. already in effect
3. Not an international crisis
4. good example but also as one that Clinton's negligence which allowed terrorism to escalate into a major episode in the Bush term where then it was dealt with.
Got anything relevant at all??
as for Kennedy your history knowledge seems a little sketchy as it is.
Khrushchev only perceived Kennedy as a weak president in so far that he had limited control of his administration. Kennedy had allowed the erection of the Berlin wall. As Elie Abel points out, Khrushchev never questioned American might, just Kennedy’s willingness to use it.
[Elie Abel, The Missiles of October, Twelve Days to World War Three, An Account of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 (London, 1969) p.37. Revised edition.]
The point is not preparing for the sake of preparing (or panic take your pick) but that he will be tested because he is seen as weak and, a friend of Muslims.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/28/2008 9:42:52 AM
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Interesting question, don't you think?
Would an endorsement by, say Osama bin Laden, be a help or hinderance to Obama?
At first, I thought it would hurt him. Then I thought about the type of folks that support Obama. From such an endorsement, they may get the impression that Osama would be saying, "I like him...I could work peaceably with him and end the war!"
What do you think?
Show us if there is such a thing as a Black Iman; and prehaps that could answer the question.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2008/10/iran-iman-ali-prophesied-a-tall-black-man-will-rise-to-power-in-the-west-just-before-the-return-of-the-mahdi.html
LG
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 9:56:36 AM
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The last person to actually almost cause WWIII was a young JFK,
Nice Republican revisionist history! I thought it was the Soviets putting missles in Cuba that almost caused that! And JFK stood up to the Soviets and they backed down! Nice try! Maybe you should study a little more history and less Republican propoganda!
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/28/2008 10:09:28 AM
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Interesting question, don't you think?
Interesting? No. I can think of several words to describe the question, and none of them are synonyms for "interesting" in the least.
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At first, I thought it would hurt him. Then I thought about the type of folks that support Obama.
Obviously you didn't think very hard (if at all). The people who support Obama are AMERICANS! True, red-blooded AMERICANS! No one is going to want bin Laden supporting their candidate. They want bin Laden captured and brought to justice for his crimes; that's the only "peaceful" ending anyone in our nation wants for the war in Afghanistan.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 10:23:43 AM
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Peter, you got it exactly right. 0bama could rob a bank, and he would be hailed as Robin Hood. An 0sama endorsement woul be swallowed by the left exactly as you described it: "Oh, what a wonderful messiah we have, the terrorists will sit down and work with him!".
That makes as much sense as saying the McCain can paint a swastica on the white house and the McCainites and Palinites would be hailing the improvement on the white house. Only the far right has swallowed the spin that Obama is some sort of messiah figure.
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0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
While you are by all means, entitled to your opinion, there are others who look at those who would support the greatest liar in American politics and the man most likely to cause WWIII and his beauty queen side-kick with utter disbelief.
Perhaps the Republican party will bomb one of our cities and blame it on al-quaida in hopes of scaring up votes for McCain. I wouldn't put it past them. What's a couple of thousand lives when an electin is at stake.
You can't be serious with that.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 11:26:18 AM
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While you are by all means, entitled to your opinion, there are others who look at those who would support the greatest liar in American politics and the man most likely to cause WWIII and his beauty queen side-kick with utter disbelief.
Perhaps the Republican party will bomb one of our cities and blame it on al-quaida in hopes of scaring up votes for McCain. I wouldn't put it past them. What's a couple of thousand lives when an electin is at stake.
Alright! I'm more of an Obama support than McCain supporter, but this is utterly insane. That's as bad as saying George W. Bush's cabinet arranged the Sept. 1tth terrorist attacks. 
Torch, thank you for recognizing the utter nonsense of thinking ANY presidential candidate is out to destroy America. No, I don't believe the McCain camp is going to bomb any American city anymore than I believe Obama is going to sit down with terrorists for coffee and muffins. Obama is an American who loves this country as much as McCain does.
Obama will be the first democratic presidential candidate I have ever voted for. As a lifelong Republican and state delegate for George Bush's first run for president, I believe the party has been hijacked by the far right and has lost it's foundation of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. I cannot in good conscience support a party that sweeps corruption under the table, that re-writes laws to suit their interests, and allows the president to set aside constitutional rights that our fore-fathers fought and died for, with false claims of "national security".
I have stated often that I believe it is MY responsibility as a parent to raise my children and NOT the governments. I don't want my children confused with multiple prayers at school or reading from the bible, the koran, and hindu texts. My children should learn from my wife and I that the bible teaches that homosexuality is not God's plan for the family but classmates and friends who have two mommies or two daddies are still God's children and should not be treated any differently than other friends. When my children are old enough to think about girlfriends, it is our responsibility to teach them to respect them and treat them as Jesus would. Many Christians seem to be turning to the government for parenting and moral legislation when only GOD and the teachings of the scriptures can change the heart and change behavior.
I'm voting for Obama, NOT because I believe he will bring about world peace or fix our economic meltdown, or even fulfill many of his promises given the budget deficits he will inherit, but rather, because he has had a consistent message of telling people we are ALL Americans and ALL patriots-- not just the red states, or republicans, or evangelicals. America needs someone who's purpose is NOT to further an already fractured nation by claiming that those who disagree with them are unamerican or liberals or align with terrorist or will tax you to death. I voted in 2004 based on fear. I won't be fooled again.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 11:34:23 AM
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I'm voting for Obama, NOT because I believe he will bring about world peace or fix our economic meltdown, or even fulfill many of his promises given the budget deficits he will inherit, but rather, because he has had a consistent message of telling people we are ALL Americans and ALL patriots-- not just the red states, or republicans, or evangelicals. America needs someone who's purpose is NOT to further an already fractured nation by claiming that those who disagree with them are unamerican or liberals or align with terrorist or will tax you to death. I voted in 2004 based on fear. I won't be fooled again.
I find it ironic that you list among your political motivations fiscal resposibility and small government, and parental autonomy, and are about to vote for a man who has promised to increase the size of government considrably, including increasing it's intrusiveness into the education of our children.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/28/2008 12:06:41 PM
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0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
As I've said before, I'd sooner vote for my housecat. He might ruin the carpet in the oval office, but he certainly wouldn't ruin the country. It'll take generations to recover from the Obamanizing this country will get. And with an already proven record of personal destruction of all who oppose, nothing will stand in the way. Don't look for an Obama critique one-stop anytime soon if he's elected, I seriously doubt that sort of dissension will be allowed to exist alongside the glorious revolution.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/28/2008 1:36:49 PM
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No need terrorist attack just ask President Bush to order Homeland Security to announce “Orange Alert” “ Yellow Alert” next few days just like last election and republican will win.
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RE: Would terrorist support help or hurt Obama? - 10/28/2008 1:41:11 PM
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0bama disgusts me. I can't believe that almost half of the nation is going to cast their vote for an untested, unprepared, lying, manipulating, obfuscating, baby killing, elite socialist thug like Barack 0bama.
That’s the beauty of democracy, I felt the same way when 52 % American re-elected President Bush.
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RE: Will Terrorism help McCain? - 10/28/2008 1:44:05 PM
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Dude, I was born in 1957 and I'm an Army Veetran. I've seen your kind come and go.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I'll be around when the last hippy peace and love baby boomer has left the show.
The point remains, JFK was seen as weak. BO will be seen as week and a sympathizer to muslim countries. A crisis is what Biden expects. No other VP elect has stated this so wrecklessly.
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