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You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:44:33 PM
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TMeeks
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I know that you have been told that you do. But, you do NOT.
I know that you feel you must. But, that is a lie.
I know that he promises you change that makes you feel hopeful. But, it is a lie and without ANY logical foundation.
Obama has never changed anything in his whole life. So, does your logical mind REALLY believe that he can or will be able to bring change now? If so, on what basis. If you can not think of a basis, then consider yourself tricked.
God did not put you on this earth to be a servant or slave to another promising to bring happiness. Jesus Christ is the only one that can do that and anyone promsing it to you is a false prophet and a false messiah. Jesus said that MANY will come in the last days. They will come in all forms and all flavors. But, as a Christian you do NOT have to do their bidding.
Ask yourself, why do I FEEL the way I FEEL? Why am I so EMOTIONALLY INVESTED in this candidate?
Ask the Father to clear your mind and reveal if you are being decieved. Then and only then should you vote.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:47:25 PM
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Jhud
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WHAT!?
Why do you wait until the last minute to tell me these thigs? I already voted via early voting; if only I had known!
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:52:41 PM
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WHAT!?
Why do you wait until the last minute to tell me these thigs? I already voted via early voting; if only I had known!
It's okay, Jack...don't worry...you can vote again! 
Vote early...vote often!
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:53:47 PM
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TMeeks
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That's OK. You are probably voting a LOT more often than you realize anyway. 
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
WHAT!?
Why do you wait until the last minute to tell me these thigs? I already voted via early voting; if only I had known!
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:53:58 PM
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Ask yourself, why do I FEEL the way I FEEL? Why am I so EMOTIONALLY INVESTED in this candidate?
I think anyone that tied up in any candidate in any election if they aren't related to that candidate needs counseling.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 2:57:15 PM
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I will vote for Obama to keep more righties off the Supreme Court. Other than that I could live with McCain or Obama for 8 years.
Circumstances make or break presidents, not personality, not experience, not political leaning. I have no idea what circumstances the next president will encounter, and who will be better equipped, and better staffed, to create the best possible outcome.
But I do know a ultra conservative Supreme court could be in place to 20 years and will lead to an erosion of civil liberties and quashing of social justice.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:08:23 PM
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Jhud
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I will vote for Obama to keep more righties off the Supreme Court.
What?! Obama doesn't want to put righties on the Supreme Court? Now I'm even more bummed about my vote... I really wish someone would have told us this stuff a few days ago.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:16:01 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I will vote for Obama to keep more righties off the Supreme Court.
What?! Obama doesn't want to put righties on the Supreme Court? Now I'm even more bummed about my vote... I really wish someone would have told us this stuff a few days ago.
Oh...I thought it was "whities". Oops!
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:22:57 PM
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zamdad
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But I do know a ultra conservative Supreme court could be in place to 20 years and will lead to an erosion of civil liberties and quashing of social justice.
Interesting. I see democratic control of the executive and legislative branch having more erosions on our civil liberties and social justice. And then I see the appointment of liberal justices adding to this erosion.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:23:15 PM
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So...you have a choice between McCain, who might nominate conservative judges (but is going to have to get them past a majority-Democrat congress)...or Obama, who wants to put judges on the court who will engineer "major redistributive change" (and who will likely get those socialist-leaning judges past a majority-Democrat congress).
The balance of power between executive and legislative branches - if they are controlled by different parties - would tend to moderate supreme court nominations. Voting for Obama without that "check" on his nominees will ensure the president's ability to nominate more extreme judges.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:28:32 PM
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Jhud
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ultra conservative Supreme court
Funny how a court that is determined to follow the Constitution is now known as "ultra conservative".
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:33:41 PM
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laura...
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I know that you have been told that you do. But, you do NOT.
I know that you feel you must. But, that is a lie.
I know that he promises you change that makes you feel hopeful. But, it is a lie and without ANY logical foundation.
Obama has never changed anything in his whole life. So, does your logical mind REALLY believe that he can or will be able to bring change now? If so, on what basis. If you can not think of a basis, then consider yourself tricked.
God did not put you on this earth to be a servant or slave to another promising to bring happiness. Jesus Christ is the only one that can do that and anyone promsing it to you is a false prophet and a false messiah. Jesus said that MANY will come in the last days. They will come in all forms and all flavors. But, as a Christian you do NOT have to do their bidding.
Ask yourself, why do I FEEL the way I FEEL? Why am I so EMOTIONALLY INVESTED in this candidate?
Ask the Father to clear your mind and reveal if you are being decieved. Then and only then should you vote.
I really find this insulting.
Honestly, I don't know who I'm voting for. I was pretty set on voting for McCain. But the more I look at the issues the less I want to vote for McCain and the more I think the two aren't really all that different despite the rhetoric. And, guess what? I do NOT have to vote for McCain.
If, and it's a big "if", I vote for Obama it won't be because I believe I "have to". It won't be because I believe he'll bring change. It won't be because I'm being deceived or manipulated or am emotionally invested. I will vote for whomever I believe to be the best candidate or possibly the lesser of two evils.
I will no more vote for Obama based on an illusive promise of change than I will vote for McCain out of fear.
I hate this election year.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:33:47 PM
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Lapidoth
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ultra conservative Supreme court
Funny how a court that is determined to follow the Constitution is now known as "ultra conservative".
There actually is no right or left.
It's just right and how far we venture from right.
More like, there's real truth, and then everything else.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:36:11 PM
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Lapidoth
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I hate this election year.
How many times have I said this? lol.
The older we get, if we live long enough, the
more we say it.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:39:46 PM
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zamdad
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Funny how a court that is determined to follow the Constitution is now known as "ultra conservative".
Just an observation on this statement. It's interesting how many people want to be in the middle, to be centrists. Therefore, those on the right are deemed ultraconsrevative and those on the left as bleeding heart liberals. What I find is those in the middle don't want to take a stand. Yet, ultimately they have to take a stand on one side or the the other. I wish people would just make up their minds and take a stand on one side or the other.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:42:52 PM
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TMeeks
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That was what shocked me! Amazing, isn't it?
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ultra conservative Supreme court
Funny how a court that is determined to follow the Constitution is now known as "ultra conservative".
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:48:23 PM
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Jhud
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Honestly, I don't know who I'm voting for. I was pretty set on voting for McCain. But the more I look at the issues the less I want to vote for McCain and the more I think the two aren't really all that different despite the rhetoric. And, guess what? I do NOT have to vote for McCain.
I agree with we have to vote for neither (in fact, had the Repubs nominated Giuliani , I may very well have for the first time sat this one out) but I would beg to differ on their differences; these are the two most different candidates I think that have run for office in the last one hundred years. They make Nixon and McGovern look like ideological siamese twins by comparison - but I also hate this election.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
- C.S. Lewis
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:49:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I know that you have been told that you do. But, you do NOT.
I know that you feel you must. But, that is a lie.
I know that he promises you change that makes you feel hopeful. But, it is a lie and without ANY logical foundation.
Obama has never changed anything in his whole life. So, does your logical mind REALLY believe that he can or will be able to bring change now? If so, on what basis. If you can not think of a basis, then consider yourself tricked.
God did not put you on this earth to be a servant or slave to another promising to bring happiness. Jesus Christ is the only one that can do that and anyone promsing it to you is a false prophet and a false messiah. Jesus said that MANY will come in the last days. They will come in all forms and all flavors. But, as a Christian you do NOT have to do their bidding.
Ask yourself, why do I FEEL the way I FEEL? Why am I so EMOTIONALLY INVESTED in this candidate?
Ask the Father to clear your mind and reveal if you are being decieved. Then and only then should you vote.
Here comes the blind to show the path.
These so called christens amaze me every day…
what made you think that i invasted my emotion to Obama ..
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:52:53 PM
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Born_Again
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I will vote for Obama to keep more righties off the Supreme Court. Other than that I could live with McCain or Obama for 8 years.
Circumstances make or break presidents, not personality, not experience, not political leaning. I have no idea what circumstances the next president will encounter, and who will be better equipped, and better staffed, to create the best possible outcome.
But I do know a ultra conservative Supreme court could be in place to 20 years and will lead to an erosion of civil liberties and quashing of social justice.
I will vote for Obama to keep all the “ Good Christian” out of government. May be , may be once these good Christians are out of politics and government they will find the dusty Bible they put away past few years and read more and realize Jesus Christ never preached about government, politics, social issue but told his follower to change their own heart.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:54:14 PM
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TMeeks
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You might not. But, there are a LOT of people that DO have an emotional investment with little or no logical assessment to back it up.
If you can LOGICALLY persuade yourself, with TANGLIBLE evidences of past achievement to predict future actions then by all means cast your vote for whomever you'd like.
If you can LOGICALLY divorce PAST associates and statements, such as that about the 'flawed' Constitution and truthfully predict that a candidate will NOT resume these troubling past assocations in the future, then by all means vote for whatever candidate you like.
If your vote is based on logic and not on emotion or feeling that you must, then fine and my remarks didn't apply in the first place. But, if you cannot LOGICALLY and DISPASSIONATELY back up your emotional choice for president, then something MIGHT be amiss. Each individual must decide that for themselves. My remarks, if you read them again, are only to those EMOTIONALLY invested in voting for Obama.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I know that you have been told that you do. But, you do NOT.
I know that you feel you must. But, that is a lie.
I know that he promises you change that makes you feel hopeful. But, it is a lie and without ANY logical foundation.
Obama has never changed anything in his whole life. So, does your logical mind REALLY believe that he can or will be able to bring change now? If so, on what basis. If you can not think of a basis, then consider yourself tricked.
God did not put you on this earth to be a servant or slave to another promising to bring happiness. Jesus Christ is the only one that can do that and anyone promsing it to you is a false prophet and a false messiah. Jesus said that MANY will come in the last days. They will come in all forms and all flavors. But, as a Christian you do NOT have to do their bidding.
Ask yourself, why do I FEEL the way I FEEL? Why am I so EMOTIONALLY INVESTED in this candidate?
Ask the Father to clear your mind and reveal if you are being decieved. Then and only then should you vote.
I really find this insulting.
Honestly, I don't know who I'm voting for. I was pretty set on voting for McCain. But the more I look at the issues the less I want to vote for McCain and the more I think the two aren't really all that different despite the rhetoric. And, guess what? I do NOT have to vote for McCain.
If, and it's a big "if", I vote for Obama it won't be because I believe I "have to". It won't be because I believe he'll bring change. It won't be because I'm being deceived or manipulated or am emotionally invested. I will vote for whomever I believe to be the best candidate or possibly the lesser of two evils.
I will no more vote for Obama based on an illusive promise of change than I will vote for McCain out of fear.
I hate this election year.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:57:07 PM
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Jhud
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I will vote for Obama to keep all the “ Good Christian” out of government. May be , may be once these good Christians are out of politics and government they will find the dusty Bible they put away past few years and read more and realize Jesus Christ never preached about government, politics, social issue but told his follower to change their own heart.
Jesus never preached about social issues? I would beg to differ; I think concerns about the poor, concerns about the powerful, concerns about whether we act according to our interests or those of others are all social issues, and have impact on politics and government as well.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:57:41 PM
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Born_Again
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You might not. But, there are a LOT of people that DO have an emotional investment with little or no logical assessment to back it up.
Seems like you the one who invested too much emotion in Republican Party!
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RE: You do NOT have to vote for Obama - 10/28/2008 3:58:18 PM
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laura...
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My remarks, if you read them again, are only to those EMOTIONALLY invested in voting for Obama.
Then your remarks can equally apply to those who are EMOTIONALLY invested in voting for McCain.
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