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bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 2:33:15 PM
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standingstrong.cd
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 2:45:34 PM
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
So if you believe that attacking terrorist that have or will harm us, is some other country is wrong; just what would your suggestion be to keep America Safe; the way it has been for the past 7+ years.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 3:41:02 PM
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They already did try the same thing here. 1993 World Trade Center. 2001 World Trade Center.
They came after us. Now we are going after them.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 3:41:49 PM
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Are you referring to the bombing of Al Qaeda in Pakistan?
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 5:01:53 PM
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
Please state the names of the terrorist groups that America is hiding or allowing to have terrorist training camps. Don't give general accusations but the specific names of the terrorist groups training on our soil that we have refused to stop or even ignored and turned a blind eye to.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 6:17:23 PM
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
Please state the names of the terrorist groups that America is hiding or allowing to have terrorist training camps. Don't give general accusations but the specific names of the terrorist groups training on our soil that we have refused to stop or even ignored and turned a blind eye to.
Ok... The terrorist group that takes the life of unborn children at about the same body count of the WTC attack everyday...
Actually there is an issue with "waging war" across the border of a sovereign nation... It's not a small thing and if it happened here people would speak and freak out...
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 6:23:04 PM
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
Please state the names of the terrorist groups that America is hiding or allowing to have terrorist training camps. Don't give general accusations but the specific names of the terrorist groups training on our soil that we have refused to stop or even ignored and turned a blind eye to.
Ok... The terrorist group that takes the life of unborn children at about the same body count of the WTC attack everyday...
Actually there is an issue with "waging war" across the border of a sovereign nation... It's not a small thing and if it happened here people would speak and freak out...
Wait a minute! It already is happening here on our southern border. Not only is everyone ignoring it but federal prosecutors are going after border agents who pursue drug dealers, uniformed Mexican armed forces have crossed our border giving cover to the drug runners.
Our courts and our politicians have been bought. Before long, it will be as bad here as it was in Columbia in the 80s.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 6:36:03 PM
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...Wait a minute! It already is happening here on our southern border. Not only is everyone ignoring it but federal prosecutors are going after border agents who pursue drug dealers, ...
Now Dubya, you had to remind me of that and give me another diaper rash.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 7:26:53 PM
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Wait a minute! It already is happening here on our southern border. Not only is everyone ignoring it but federal prosecutors are going after border agents who pursue drug dealers, uniformed Mexican armed forces have crossed our border giving cover to the drug runners.
Our courts and our politicians have been bought. Before long, it will be as bad here as it was in Columbia in the 80s.
Wait a minute! Didn't Dubya, McCain, Obama, Pelosi and all of the other leaders say that those were law abiding, good honest people who just want to come here and pay our taxes?
I agree with you completely though. : /
I don't like the incursion into Syria but it was probably neccessary and I hope it doesn't become a habit. We should have done it 5+ years ago but of course we didn't think to send enough troops over there to do it. Now though I am not a big fan of it.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 7:34:09 PM
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Wait a minute! It already is happening here on our southern border. Not only is everyone ignoring it but federal prosecutors are going after border agents who pursue drug dealers, uniformed Mexican armed forces have crossed our border giving cover to the drug runners.
Our courts and our politicians have been bought. Before long, it will be as bad here as it was in Columbia in the 80s.
Wait a minute! Didn't Dubya, McCain, Obama, Pelosi and all of the other leaders say that those were law abiding, good honest people who just want to come here and pay our taxes?
I agree with you completely though. : /
I don't like the incursion into Syria but it was probably neccessary and I hope it doesn't become a habit. We should have done it 5+ years ago but of course we didn't think to send enough troops over there to do it. Now though I am not a big fan of it.
ANd I agree with your last comment here. We should have done a much better job securing the border between Iraq and Syria - including as many cross border excursion as necessary.
It should ALSO have been done with the border with Iran!
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 7:43:34 PM
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I'm sure if the Chinese came after someone here in the USA and the Chinese Air Force bombed a town in California looking for someone they needed to kill for their national securtity, everyone would be ok with it (sarcasm off). If we are talking about Syria then fine...go on in...as long as it is because we were attacked by their military. But to just go in like we own the place is wrong and always will be.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 7:54:15 PM
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Dubya
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I'm sure if the Chinese came after someone here in the USA and the Chinese Air Force bombed a town in California looking for someone they needed to kill for their national securtity, everyone would be ok with it (sarcasm off). If we are talking about Syria then fine...go on in...as long as it is because we were attacked by their military. But to just go in like we own the place is wrong and always will be.
... and if they have been supporting those we are at war with?
That does not sit well with me. - It even does not sit well with Obama - he advocates crossing the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan if there is reason to think Obama is hiding in a Pakistani cave.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 10/31/2008 9:52:06 PM
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I'm sure if the Chinese came after someone here in the USA and the Chinese Air Force bombed a town in California looking for someone they needed to kill for their national securtity, everyone would be ok with it (sarcasm off). If we are talking about Syria then fine...go on in...as long as it is because we were attacked by their military. But to just go in like we own the place is wrong and always will be.
... and if they have been supporting those we are at war with?
That does not sit well with me. - It even does not sit well with Obama - he advocates crossing the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan if there is reason to think Obama is hiding in a Pakistani cave.
He shouldn't... We are supposed to be a nation governed by the rule of law... Even if it means we have bite our lip so to speak...
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/1/2008 4:05:46 AM
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I'm sure if the Chinese came after someone here in the USA and the Chinese Air Force bombed a town in California looking for someone they needed to kill for their national securtity, everyone would be ok with it (sarcasm off). If we are talking about Syria then fine...go on in...as long as it is because we were attacked by their military. But to just go in like we own the place is wrong and always will be.
... and if they have been supporting those we are at war with?
That does not sit well with me. - It even does not sit well with Obama - he advocates crossing the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan if there is reason to think Obama is hiding in a Pakistani cave.
Yes...A nation needs to take the high road....if we are talking about Syria and they gave permission to come in, then fine. If our military or anyone in the USA for that matter were giving aid to the Taiwanese,and the Chinese Military came in unannounced and did a raid, would you be OK with that?
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/1/2008 6:19:50 PM
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I'm glad to see that some of you, see the difference!
7 dead in Syria, 27 dead in Pakistan. yes we may have taken out a couple of bad guys,but at what cost! But at what cost do we ignor the sovereity of other nations and do as we please, are they all Al-Qaida? I think not!
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/8/2008 1:06:42 PM
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This is how I look at it - to say the principles yet again...The role of government is to punish evil-doers (Rom. ch. 13) and to promote an environment for its citizens that is conducive to living peaceful, quiet, and godly lives (1 Tim. ch. 2). If we are going to go into another country in a rampage - to get UBL lets say before the Bush Administration is out and has this legacy that it let UBL go out of its grasp...if we are going to go on a rampage in other countries we better make sure that these are the underlying principles that are guiding our actions - not only with regards to our own people, but with regards to the people whose lives we have just intruded into. Since most in our government are unbelievers and so are outside of Christ which means they dwell in darkness and the darkness is in them (Eph. ch. 5) as well permeating their entire being - thinking, understanding, affections, decisions - then anytime our government acts into a situation it acts in total darkness and ignorance of what is really going on in the situation and what is the genuinely wise thing to do. It is too bad really - for all involved.
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/8/2008 1:10:06 PM
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To Rockwall in answer to your question about what terrorists we are hiding in America and protecting - try the huge Wahabi school of Islam outside of D.C.. Try the subtle way we protect violent Islamists by policies 'Homeland Security' puts out about terminology we shouldn't use when talking about Islam and terrorism. You can find out about stuff like this on Steve Emerson's websites. How about the 'mainstream' Muslim organizations in America that support violent jihad and our government refuses to read the writing on the wall, so to speak, with regards to them and what they are really all about? Like I said...you can go to Steve Emerson's sites for more info.
God bless,
Galadriel
As far as the illegal aliens streaming across our southern border - sorry - illegals aren't very comparable to bombs. People who murder their own children via abortion aren't terrorists either. There is no political agenda that they are trying to get implemented via their violence. They are just murdering their own unborn children so that they can have more time and money to spend on themselves....At least a suicide bomber has the courage to murder himself as well. Pro-abortionists are cowards in addition to murderers. They chose to be cowards and murderers after growing up in the richest country in the history of the world where good teaching about Christ can still be found - though it is getting harder to find. Think about it. 
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/8/2008 6:11:14 PM
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Actually, the people we went into Syria to get were AL Queda operatives smuggling other members into Iraq, along with money and weapons. AL Queda declared war on the United States long before we declared war on them. Syria knew that they were involved because we had been telling them about this for several years. They did nothing to stop it, giving them what amounted to immunity within their borders. I say go get them. They had been warned that they could either deal with them, or we would deal with them ourselves. By Syria not dealing with themselves, they were as much as sponsoring terrorists on their soil.
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I'm glad to see that some of you, see the difference!
7 dead in Syria, 27 dead in Pakistan. yes we may have taken out a couple of bad guys,but at what cost! But at what cost do we ignor the sovereity of other nations and do as we please, are they all AL-Qaida? I think not!
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/9/2008 6:15:14 AM
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It seems like in the last week , that our Nation has been going after terrorist with a vengence ignoring other countries borders ,and I think we are going to far! I know what would happen if they tried the same thing here!
So if you believe that attacking terrorist that have or will harm us, is some other country is wrong; just what would your suggestion be to keep America Safe; the way it has been for the past 7+ years.
Thanks
RC
I'll give you my alternative suggestion - start living like Christ told us to live. "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly."
Imagine how much goodwill there would be in this world towards America if the U.S. gov't spent the $1,000,000,000,000 (one Trillion dollars!!) it has spent on this war on eliminating poverty and promoting peace throughout the world. That kind of goodwill stops hatred in it's tracks.
Is this proposal simplistic? Yes, but imagine if we tried it what might happen. It would not stop all of the evil in this world of course, but consider the example of the great Martin Luther King - he embodied the principles of non-violence and the power of love to turn away evil. He was ultimately killed by the evil-doers but the world we live in is a better place because of his application of Jesus' teachings and who among us would consider his methods to have been a failure?
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/9/2008 7:06:13 AM
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I take it that's a no - you would not be ok with that. America has to realize that it is a citizen of this world and not the law unto itself.
The people have, the government will follow suit January 20th, 2009.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclickcomics/20081105/cx_po_uc/po20081105
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/9/2008 9:08:31 AM
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Imagine how much goodwill there would be in this world towards America if the U.S. gov't spent the $1,000,000,000,000 (one Trillion dollars!!) it has spent on this war on eliminating poverty and promoting peace throughout the world. That kind of goodwill stops hatred in it's tracks.
I firmly disgree that would help. It would be like giving a spoiled child what ever they wanted; then they just want more.
It is a relly warm and fuzzy feeling of a suggestion; it just would not work.
Thanks
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RE: bombing in other countrys - 11/9/2008 1:41:47 PM
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dbark
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Imagine how much goodwill there would be in this world towards America if the U.S. gov't spent the $1,000,000,000,000 (one Trillion dollars!!) it has spent on this war on eliminating poverty and promoting peace throughout the world. That kind of goodwill stops hatred in it's tracks.
I firmly disgree that would help. It would be like giving a spoiled child what ever they wanted; then they just want more.
It is a relly warm and fuzzy feeling of a suggestion; it just would not work.
Thanks
RC
Well then ... I guess Jesus was wrong about caring for the needy, not selfishly amassing personal wealth, loving our neighbors, loving our enemies, being peacemakers and all that. Too bad - it really seemed like He was on to something there.
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