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maryg2g -> Mike Huckabee (1/4/2008 4:10:45 AM)

To all Huckabee supporters who truly care about U.S. sovereignty, please view this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_BucPcJrHI . Did you hear who Huckabee named as his foreign policy advisors?

In summary, Wolf Blitzer asked Huckabee who his foreign policy advisors are. “Well, I have a number of people from whom I get policy,” Mr. Huckabee responded, mentioning by name Frank Gafney, Richard Haass, and John R. Bolton.

Two of the three, Haass and Bolton, are members of the Council on Foreign Relations. In fact, as Wolf Blitzer pointed out to the CNN audience, Richard Haass is president of the CFR. For those who don't already know, the CFR is purposed to create the NAU & a one-world government. Please do your own due diligence to confirm this.

If anyone should be selective about his advisors, shouldn't it be the president of our nation? This isn't a mere oversight on Huckabee's part, & no voter should overlook its seriousness. It reveals a man who's either ignorant about or complicit with the agenda of his advisors. Do you think he is ignorant or complicit? Do you want a president who is that ignorant of foreign affairs or that complicit with forming a one-world government?

Another thing. What about Huckabee's theology degree? His campaign finally admitted he doesn't have the religious credential he repeatedly claimed to have. Whether or not he has a degree is irrelevant to me. But honesty--or lack of it--is HUGE to me. And I hope it is to you! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222 Read to the end--most important part.

Lastly, speaking directly to those of you who support Huckabee because of his outspokenness about his faith. Do you think it would be great to have a real “man of God” in the oval office? Do you think Mike Huckabee is that man because he sounds so godly? I have a lot of Christian friends who are intelligent, solid believers & just as boldly open about their faith. None of them are qualified to be President of the United States. Please do not base your decision on what’s being said in an election year by any candidate. As has been stated many times, “All presidential candidates are professing Christians—at least once every 4 years.” Do you hire a roofer or plumber because of what he says? Or do you get multiple bids & at least 3 referrals, call the BBB, confirm bonding & insurance, do online research, etc., etc. before making your final choice? Many people are more prudent about choosing a roofer than a president. We all agree this election is one of the most important in America’s history. Please find credible independent (not a candidate’s website) sources for the good, bad, & ugly of each candidate's background in order to make your best decision. What they've DONE is more important than what they SAY & the best indicator of what they'll continue to DO if elected.



Szaftoo -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/4/2008 9:58:23 AM)

Welcome.

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ORIGINAL: maryg2g
Lastly, speaking directly to those of you who support Huckabee because of his outspokenness about his faith. Do you think it would be great to have a real “man of God” in the oval office? Do you think Mike Huckabee is that man because he sounds so godly?

Most Christians aren't that gullible. Obviously they want a believer in the White House, but it takes more than that.



ctipton -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/4/2008 12:36:16 PM)

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Two of the three, Haass and Bolton, are members of the Council on Foreign Relations.


I suggest that if you want this allegation to be effective, you are going to have to explain the significance. The fact is that virtually all of the respected foreign policy experts are in the CFR. And despite Hal Lindsey, most do not think that the CFR is the Beast or satanic. Nor do most think it is in any form a devious organization.

To me that association only firmly establishes Huckabee as part of the establishment that is seeking globalism at the cost of some of our sovereignty. But I doubt that many see the same connection.

Anyways, all of that to merely make a recommendation that when you speak of such things, you should give the reader more context so that the core issue is understood.



RangerForGod -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 9:50:02 AM)

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.



LivingParadox -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 9:59:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.



Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 2:16:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox

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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.



Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!


Ditto!![sm=dance.gif]



thomas2008 -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 3:28:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.


When I hear people talk about the "war on Christianity" I just want to roll my eyes. I mean, you speak about 225M Christians voices are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists. Well let me ask you, what have Christians been doing for the past 40 years besides playing church? It's not the Presidents fault that the Christians are being silenced. It's the Christians who have caused the silence by not doing anything. We Christians complain about abortions, same sex marriages, and all the other evil in this nation, but what are the churches doing about it? They preach about it, but that is as far as it goes.

The Christians in this nation have been in a coma while everything has been unfolding, because they haven't been doing anything. Look at the Muslim nations, they are so passionate about their faith that when something comes across that they feel is wrong, they unite in protest, yes, they go a tad bit far with violence and stuff, but they make their voice heard. If the 225M Christians in this nation were using their voices, then the morals that have pretty much vanished from this nation would be 95% invincible.

What is it going to take for the Christians in this nation to truly unite, and stand up for what we actually believe in. When are we going to stop playing church and actually do something? We go to church, we hear a good message, we sing those powerful songs in worship to our God, but what are we doing from that point? Are we actually taking the message with us and spreading it into our communities? If the 225M Christians would start doing that, this nation wouldn't be as bad.

I hear Christians speak about changing America, but you know, actions speak louder than words. The thing that is sad is that many churches are so couped up into their religious doctrines and not God's Word, so they allow their differences to cause division and nothing gets done.



thomas2008 -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 3:53:36 PM)

If you think that electing Mike Huckabee as President is going to bring forth the change we pray to see in America, be wise. He, as President does not have the authority to use government in the name of religion to do so.

If we want to see lives changed, we need to get busy! Those of us who take in the message of salvation, what are doing with it? What are we doing with the message of Jesus Christ?

Theres a song that is sung in many churches, Onward Christian Soldiers...

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

How does this song reflect Christians today? Does it? What side are we on today? Defensive or Offensive?

Here is some more of that great song, read these lyrics and how does it imply today?

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.



RangerForGod -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 5:57:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thomas2008

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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.


When I hear people talk about the "war on Christianity" I just want to roll my eyes. I mean, you speak about 225M Christians voices are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists. Well let me ask you, what have Christians been doing for the past 40 years besides playing church? It's not the Presidents fault that the Christians are being silenced. It's the Christians who have caused the silence by not doing anything. We Christians complain about abortions, same sex marriages, and all the other evil in this nation, but what are the churches doing about it? They preach about it, but that is as far as it goes.

The Christians in this nation have been in a coma while everything has been unfolding, because they haven't been doing anything. Look at the Muslim nations, they are so passionate about their faith that when something comes across that they feel is wrong, they unite in protest, yes, they go a tad bit far with violence and stuff, but they make their voice heard. If the 225M Christians in this nation were using their voices, then the morals that have pretty much vanished from this nation would be 95% invincible.

What is it going to take for the Christians in this nation to truly unite, and stand up for what we actually believe in. When are we going to stop playing church and actually do something? We go to church, we hear a good message, we sing those powerful songs in worship to our God, but what are we doing from that point? Are we actually taking the message with us and spreading it into our communities? If the 225M Christians would start doing that, this nation wouldn't be as bad.

I hear Christians speak about changing America, but you know, actions speak louder than words. The thing that is sad is that many churches are so couped up into their religious doctrines and not God's Word, so they allow their differences to cause division and nothing gets done.


Thomas,
If you look at my post, I said "this 'war' on Christianity has gone on long enough" to make a point. If our gov't (state & federal) will pander to other religions, than it should include all the religions. And you are absolutely correct in saying the we should unite and actions are stronger than words. But my children will never attend a school that allows room for Islamic and Hindu 'rituals' without allowing the same for the other religions. I am not bashing those religions to use as an example, but what you do for one you must do for the other.
You are right in saying " If you think that electing Mike Huckabee as President is going to bring forth the change we pray to see in America, be wise. He, as President does not have the authority to use government in the name of religion to do so.
" No president has. But a wise president will see the religious pandering that is going on and say to the gov'ts to be equal or remove from these institutions it all together.



thomas2008 -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 8:13:40 PM)

Students in the public school system have a right to religious expression, this includes Muslims, Hindus, Christians, etc. Your right, if schools are going to allow other religions to practice their "rituals", then Christians deserve the same under equal rights, what is good for one is good for the other.

Constitutionally the President or the Congress cannot interfere in religion in any way. Christians have the same right to express their views, but in the past 40 years they have not done a very good job of doing that.



RangerForGod -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/5/2008 11:24:49 PM)

Thomas,
Because of fearing the ACLU, our schools will not allow prayer in our schools, at any time. They fear they may offend others. If my child cannot wear a 'Jesus Loves You' shirt, why do the schools allow Muslim students to wear their hijabs? Some schools have gone as far as not allowing a necklace with a cross to be exposed. As you reiterated what I said, it's either all or none.

P.S. Thomas, congratulations are in order for the maize & blue for winning their bowl. But I believe we both know who's number one! Scarlet & Gray! But now you have a new coach, so we shall see about next year.



thomas2008 -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/6/2008 8:42:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

Thomas,
Because of fearing the ACLU, our schools will not allow prayer in our schools, at any time. They fear they may offend others. If my child cannot wear a 'Jesus Loves You' shirt, why do the schools allow Muslim students to wear their hijabs? Some schools have gone as far as not allowing a necklace with a cross to be exposed. As you reiterated what I said, it's either all or none.

P.S. Thomas, congratulations are in order for the maize & blue for winning their bowl. But I believe we both know who's number one! Scarlet & Gray! But now you have a new coach, so we shall see about next year.


Regardless of what the ACLU says, their full of ignorance. Students in schools have the right to engage in prayer, as long as it isn't violating the order of school and the religious liberties of the other students. Teachers on the other hand cannot themselves call an order to prayer, or cater to any other religious ritual because she is a government employee.

Students have the right to religious expression. The problem is, how many Christians are actually standing up to protect that right? Or are they sitting back like they have the past 40 years.

Any civil libertarian would agree.



ctipton -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/6/2008 2:34:07 PM)

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instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists.


What about pandering to evangelicals.

Did you pay attention to the campaigns in Iowa? Did you notice someone campaigning as the Christian candidate. Obviously it worked, but I don't find that a healthy thing at all.



ctipton -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/6/2008 2:40:43 PM)

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Because of fearing the ACLU, our schools will not allow prayer in our schools, at any time. They fear they may offend others. If my child cannot wear a 'Jesus Loves You' shirt, why do the schools allow Muslim students to wear their hijabs? Some schools have gone as far as not allowing a necklace with a cross to be exposed. As you reiterated what I said, it's either all or none.


Some school districts make bad decisions. And the residents of that district need to correct it by their representatives. As far as the federal issue, Tom is correct. Government cannot establish a religion or give an advantage to any religious group.

That is both my poliltical heritage and my religious heritage. In order for God to best be able to call men, the sword of the state must be completely removed from the realm of one's conscience toward God.

charlie



cybrjewls -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/6/2008 7:33:24 PM)

Greetings RangeForGod! Amen and Amen.
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ORIGINAL: RangerForGod

While I think everyone agrees that the person that sits in the Oval Office should have the knowledge and experience to run a gov't, I, myself, would like for that person to have faith to respect the faiths of others. This 'war' on Christianity in America has gone on long enough and the next President and congress need to address it, instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists. Yes, we must respect their views also, but 225M Christians' voice are overshadowed by a few thousand atheists.



cybrjewls -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/6/2008 7:36:00 PM)

I find it very satisfying to be vied for in this manner in that there is honor where honor is due unto God. Without the acknowledgment of the peoples faith, there is nothing. The faith of the people is cental to many things including Doctrine and Salvation.
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instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists.


What about pandering to evangelicals.

Did you pay attention to the campaigns in Iowa? Did you notice someone campaigning as the Christian candidate. Obviously it worked, but I don't find that a healthy thing at all.



TheosCentric -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 8:45:01 AM)

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instead of pandering to a small handful of atheists and secularists.


What about pandering to evangelicals.

Did you pay attention to the campaigns in Iowa? Did you notice someone campaigning as the Christian candidate. Obviously it worked, but I don't find that a healthy thing at all.

That's about what happened. Especially after having just preached a sermon at the heretic John Hagee's church, calling Hagee one of America's great Christian leaders. Ha!

I lost a lot of respect for Huckabee when I found out about this. He's pandering to the Zionists, and that's not going to win the election, only take votes away from other candidates with viable platforms.



RichLP -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 9:29:04 AM)

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That's about what happened. Especially after having just preached a sermon at the heretic John Hagee's church, calling Hagee one of America's great Christian leaders. Ha!

I lost a lot of respect for Huckabee when I found out about this. He's pandering to the Zionists, and that's not going to win the election, only take votes away from other candidates with viable platforms.


But let's not forget that this is what happens when politicians bend over backwards to please the pro-Israel lobby.

Besides, I have now only recently learned why you and others, Ccoppenbarger, refer to Hagee as a heretic. He denied Jesus is the Messiah? Hagee was bad enough with his hateful and ignorant comments about attacking Iran (but they don't have nukes, so why should we attack them now, as some in the pro-Israel lobby are still demanding that the US military do? If they want to attack Iran that badly, why not use the Israeli military? [:@]), and now he says Jesus isn't the Messiah?

And he said Jews don't need Jesus? Jesus Himself would disagree, according to what He says in the Bible.



stamper_ben -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 10:20:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger
That's about what happened. Especially after having just preached a sermon at the heretic John Hagee's church, calling Hagee one of America's great Christian leaders. Ha!

I lost a lot of respect for Huckabee when I found out about this. He's pandering to the Zionists, and that's not going to win the election, only take votes away from other candidates with viable platforms.


But let's not forget that this is what happens when politicians bend over backwards to please the pro-Israel lobby.

Besides, I have now only recently learned why you and others, Ccoppenbarger, refer to Hagee as a heretic. He denied Jesus is the Messiah? Hagee was bad enough with his hateful and ignorant comments about attacking Iran (but they don't have nukes, so why should we attack them now, as some in the pro-Israel lobby are still demanding that the US military do? If they want to attack Iran that badly, why not use the Israeli military? [:@]), and now he says Jesus isn't the Messiah?

And he said Jews don't need Jesus? Jesus Himself would disagree, according to what He says in the Bible.

Links please? Some proof of these statements of Hagee?



RichLP -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 10:30:31 AM)

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Links please? Some proof of these statements of Hagee?


“I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.”

“In fact, trying to convert Jews is a ‘waste of time,’ he said. ‘The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They (already) have a faith structure.’ Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity, he says.”

"San Antonio fundamentalist battles anti-Semitism," Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec. 6, pg. 1.

“Information about Hagee from other sources reveals he seriously differs with the vast majority of dispensational teachers because he believes that Jewish people do not need to be saved, since they are under a different covenant.”

From H. Wayne House, “A Summary Critique: Beginning of the End,” Christian Research Journal, Winter 1997, pg. 50.



TheosCentric -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 10:41:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger
That's about what happened. Especially after having just preached a sermon at the heretic John Hagee's church, calling Hagee one of America's great Christian leaders. Ha!

I lost a lot of respect for Huckabee when I found out about this. He's pandering to the Zionists, and that's not going to win the election, only take votes away from other candidates with viable platforms.


But let's not forget that this is what happens when politicians bend over backwards to please the pro-Israel lobby.

Besides, I have now only recently learned why you and others, Ccoppenbarger, refer to Hagee as a heretic. He denied Jesus is the Messiah? Hagee was bad enough with his hateful and ignorant comments about attacking Iran (but they don't have nukes, so why should we attack them now, as some in the pro-Israel lobby are still demanding that the US military do? If they want to attack Iran that badly, why not use the Israeli military? [:@]), and now he says Jesus isn't the Messiah?

And he said Jews don't need Jesus? Jesus Himself would disagree, according to what He says in the Bible.

Links please? Some proof of these statements of Hagee?

See my blog as well as the thread in the church forum.



stamper_ben -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 11:14:42 AM)

I was hoping for something a little more substantial than from the oft times inaccuracies of the Houston Chronicle and their oft times biased reporting, or a quote from an author I am not familiar with. I was looking for something more akin to the "horses mouth". And Chris, if you got em in your blog or in the other thread could you copy and paste them here?



RichLP -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 11:18:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben
I was hoping for something a little more substantial than from the oft times inaccuracies of the Houston Chronicle and their oft times biased reporting, or a quote from an author I am not familiar with. I was looking for something more akin to the "horses mouth". And Chris, if you got em in your blog or in the other thread could you copy and paste them here?


These are quotes by Hagee himself, Ben. They're not inaccurate unless you provide proof they are.

As for something from "the horse's mouth,"you will not easily find such information. Hagee will never say "I am a heretic" any more than a politician will say "I am an incorrigible liar" or an adulterer will say "I sleep with other people's spouses."

This, however, may shed some light...



stamper_ben -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 12:00:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben
I was hoping for something a little more substantial than from the oft times inaccuracies of the Houston Chronicle and their oft times biased reporting, or a quote from an author I am not familiar with. I was looking for something more akin to the "horses mouth". And Chris, if you got em in your blog or in the other thread could you copy and paste them here?


These are quotes by Hagee himself, Ben. They're not inaccurate unless you provide proof they are.

As for something from "the horse's mouth,"you will not easily find such information. Hagee will never say "I am a heretic" any more than a politician will say "I am an incorrigible liar" or an adulterer will say "I sleep with other people's spouses."

This, however, may shed some light...

First, I'd have to have read the book in the youtube video to comment. Did you?

Second, I don't believe everything the newspapers have to say or the quotes they give, especially when they are know to come from a source as inaccurate as the Houston Chron is. So that leaves it to you to provide the accuracy of the said quotes, not me to disprove them.

Third, if it is not "easy" to get the word straight from the horses mouth, then isn't much of what is being said on Hagee just hearsay?



RichLP -> RE: Mike Huckabee (1/7/2008 10:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben
First, I'd have to have read the book in the youtube video to comment. Did you?

Second, I don't believe everything the newspapers have to say or the quotes they give, especially when they are know to come from a source as inaccurate as the Houston Chron is. So that leaves it to you to provide the accuracy of the said quotes, not me to disprove them.

Third, if it is not "easy" to get the word straight from the horses mouth, then isn't much of what is being said on Hagee just hearsay?


1. No, but others have and they've made their reviews of it public. And they've quoted hagee.

2. That the press may make errors is not the point. If you think the HC is flawed and can be inaccurate, it's up to you to prove the HC is untrustworthy. By relying on your own perception of the HC as flawed and therefore untrustworthy, you're taking the easy way out, rather than examining whether the HC did quote Hagee correctly.

3. No, because as I said, others have read his books, contacted his ministry, and analyzed his theological statements re: Jews & Jesus.



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