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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 4:22:36 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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SOVEREIGN-IS-HE -
I gotta ask ... am i off the hook for all the blame for all this if i DO NOT VOTE FOR EITHER??????
will i escape the wrath of God if i pick neither?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 4:29:24 PM
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I just didn't think of it till yesterday.. i thought its time to call out what does the Bible say... ((better late than never???))
What are you referring to? About abortion? Support for agendas? Christians responsibility?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 4:42:42 PM
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I just didn't think of it till yesterday.. i thought its time to call out what does the Bible say... ((better late than never???))
What are you referring to? About abortion? Support for agendas? Christians responsibility?
if i vote for neither mccain nor obama for president, will i bet let off the hook for the blame for all the abortions that happen from the time one of them take office?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 9:41:47 PM
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This is a direct quote from the 2008 demo platform....
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.
How can a voter not support the ideals of of those they vote for?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 5:28:46 PM
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This is a direct quote from the 2008 demo platform....
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.
How can a voter not support the ideals of of those they vote for?
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The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
It seems that the stats of unintended pregnancies rose at the same time when they began passing out condoms to HS kids?
This is just the front, the real issue is above,
I mean even God supports a woman’s decision to have a child
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The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.
And why wasnt the above taught to the child by the mother?... well that brings us back to the beginning
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The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to choose
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 5:35:06 PM
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SOVEREIGN-IS-HE -
I gotta ask ... am i off the hook for all the blame for all this if i DO NOT VOTE FOR EITHER??????
will i escape the wrath of God if i pick neither?
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The bible says that which is not done in faith is a sin...
If one is truly a child of God they will not see God's wrath, but chastisement out love in that God will work in His people to bring them about in spite of their failings.
I can't in good conscience vote for McCain or Obama... I am not doing so to escape God's wrath, I just don't feel I can justify the action according to His word...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 5:39:43 PM
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SOVEREIGN-IS-HE -
I gotta ask ... am i off the hook for all the blame for all this if i DO NOT VOTE FOR EITHER??????
will i escape the wrath of God if i pick neither?
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The bible says that which is not done in faith is a sin...
If one is truly a child of God they will not see God's wrath, but chastisement out love in that God will work in His people to bring them about in spite of their failings.
I can't in good conscience vote for McCain or Obama... I am not doing so to escape God's wrath, I just don't feel I can justify the action according to His word...
Hello SovereignIsHe
Did you catch the news yesterday ;ACORN?
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 7:20:43 PM
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Are you serious?! No matter who takes office in Jan 2009, women will continue to have abortions whether legally or illegally.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 8:13:45 PM
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McCain's nrlc.org score 66%
This is dishonesty on display. After years and years of a nearly perfect pro-life abortion record, the poster presents an evaluation of McCain based on three votes. To top it off, the one vote that McCain differed with the NRLC on, isn't even on abortion.
On the NRLC home page you can find:
- A link titled, John McCain-A Champion for Our Issue
- Another link, Barak Obama's Actions and Shifting Claims on the Protection of Born-Alive Aborted Infants...
The NRLC is dedicated to stopping BHO and electing John McCain.
Stop the Obama killing machine
Justice, Peace and McCain for the unborn
That was not dishonesty, ljmac, and you know it - here is McCain's 66% - a score that has been there for months - from the nrlc.org's own website:
"John McCain (R-AZ) X O NV X NV NV NV 2 1 66%"
http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=S&state=US&session=110&x=12&y=11
And it is a fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score better than McCain on the nrlc.org - please DO let me know if you want me to post them from the nrlc.org for the 3rd or 4th time again.
Peace and God bless,
The dishonesty is that you've taken three votes out of twenty years and presented them as an accurate representation of his record. It isn't. Then you've compounded your dishonesty by using those three votes in a abortion thread when the one time he disagreed with the NRLC wasn't even about abortion.
ljmac, I quoted DIRECTLY from nrlc.org itself - if you don't like the score that they give McCAin, the same one he's had for months, then I suggest that you write to them.
Peace and God bless,
Greetings
Here's a little something to straighten out the issue
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=277874
LG
Um, how?
And, here are some hints about the aforementioned link:
1) the text is about a blog with absolutely no references supporting anything;
2) the text of this link is full of 'he would probably' - you do know that probably does NOT mean will, absolutely, correct?
3) The Senate approves SCJ nominations and the Senate is currently controlled by the Democrats; and given the nature of the polls, it's likely they'll gain even more seats;
4) Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW.
5) McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - a pact he made with the Democrats: if the Republicans do not go Frist on SCJs (ie, very conservative), then the Democrats will not fillibuster the SCJ nominees. It is highly unlikely that he'd pick ultra-conservative SCJs. Even if he does - please see 4) above re: SCJ Kennedy.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 8:14:49 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Are you serious?! No matter who takes office in Jan 2009, women will continue to have abortions whether legally or illegally.
So that allows Christian to support whom and whatever?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 8:18:13 PM
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McCain's nrlc.org score 66%
This is dishonesty on display. After years and years of a nearly perfect pro-life abortion record, the poster presents an evaluation of McCain based on three votes. To top it off, the one vote that McCain differed with the NRLC on, isn't even on abortion.
On the NRLC home page you can find:
- A link titled, John McCain-A Champion for Our Issue
- Another link, Barak Obama's Actions and Shifting Claims on the Protection of Born-Alive Aborted Infants...
The NRLC is dedicated to stopping BHO and electing John McCain.
Stop the Obama killing machine
Justice, Peace and McCain for the unborn
That was not dishonesty, ljmac, and you know it - here is McCain's 66% - a score that has been there for months - from the nrlc.org's own website:
"John McCain (R-AZ) X O NV X NV NV NV 2 1 66%"
http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=S&state=US&session=110&x=12&y=11
And it is a fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score better than McCain on the nrlc.org - please DO let me know if you want me to post them from the nrlc.org for the 3rd or 4th time again.
Peace and God bless,
The dishonesty is that you've taken three votes out of twenty years and presented them as an accurate representation of his record. It isn't. Then you've compounded your dishonesty by using those three votes in a abortion thread when the one time he disagreed with the NRLC wasn't even about abortion.
ljmac, I quoted DIRECTLY from nrlc.org itself - if you don't like the score that they give McCAin, the same one he's had for months, then I suggest that you write to them.
Peace and God bless,
Greetings
Here's a little something to straighten out the issue
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=277874
LG
Um, how?
And, here are some hints about the aforementioned link:
1) the text is about a blog with absolutely no references supporting anything;
2) the text of this link is full of 'he would probably' - you do know that probably does mean will, absolutely, correct?
3) The Senate approves SCJ nominations and the Senate is currently controlled by the Democrats; and given the nature of the polls, it's likely they'll gain even more seats;
4) Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW.
5) McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - a pact he made with the Democrats: if the Republicans do not go Frist on SCJs (ie, very conservative), then the Democrats will not fillibuster the SCJ nominees. It is highly unlikely that he'd pick ultra-conservative SCJs. Even if he does - please see 4) above re: SCJ Kennedy.
Of course part of what it is missing is the fact that the pro-life judges on the court were appointed by Republicans. Not to mention regardless of what has happened there is a chance McCain could appoint a pro-life judge as opposed to the fact Obama will not...
And of course there is the fact that regardless there is the issue of supporting what is clearly wrong...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 8:55:17 PM
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McCain's nrlc.org score 66%
This is dishonesty on display. After years and years of a nearly perfect pro-life abortion record, the poster presents an evaluation of McCain based on three votes. To top it off, the one vote that McCain differed with the NRLC on, isn't even on abortion.
On the NRLC home page you can find:
- A link titled, John McCain-A Champion for Our Issue
- Another link, Barak Obama's Actions and Shifting Claims on the Protection of Born-Alive Aborted Infants...
The NRLC is dedicated to stopping BHO and electing John McCain.
Stop the Obama killing machine
Justice, Peace and McCain for the unborn
That was not dishonesty, ljmac, and you know it - here is McCain's 66% - a score that has been there for months - from the nrlc.org's own website:
"John McCain (R-AZ) X O NV X NV NV NV 2 1 66%"
http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=S&state=US&session=110&x=12&y=11
And it is a fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score better than McCain on the nrlc.org - please DO let me know if you want me to post them from the nrlc.org for the 3rd or 4th time again.
Peace and God bless,
The dishonesty is that you've taken three votes out of twenty years and presented them as an accurate representation of his record. It isn't. Then you've compounded your dishonesty by using those three votes in a abortion thread when the one time he disagreed with the NRLC wasn't even about abortion.
ljmac, I quoted DIRECTLY from nrlc.org itself - if you don't like the score that they give McCAin, the same one he's had for months, then I suggest that you write to them.
Peace and God bless,
Greetings
Here's a little something to straighten out the issue
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=277874
LG
Um, how?
And, here are some hints about the aforementioned link:
1) the text is about a blog with absolutely no references supporting anything;
2) the text of this link is full of 'he would probably' - you do know that probably does mean will, absolutely, correct?
3) The Senate approves SCJ nominations and the Senate is currently controlled by the Democrats; and given the nature of the polls, it's likely they'll gain even more seats;
4) Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW.
5) McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - a pact he made with the Democrats: if the Republicans do not go Frist on SCJs (ie, very conservative), then the Democrats will not fillibuster the SCJ nominees. It is highly unlikely that he'd pick ultra-conservative SCJs. Even if he does - please see 4) above re: SCJ Kennedy.
Of course part of what it is missing is the fact that the pro-life judges on the court were appointed by Republicans. Not to mention regardless of what has happened there is a chance McCain could appoint a pro-life judge as opposed to the fact Obama will not...
And of course there is the fact that regardless there is the issue of supporting what is clearly wrong...
Interesting...based on history, John, going thru the SC plainly is not working- has not worked for 3 DECADES of: Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW.
And given the fact that: McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - a pact he made with the Democrats: if the Republicans do not go Frist on SCJs (ie, very conservative), then the Democrats will not fillibuster the SCJ nominees. It is highly unlikely that he'd pick ultra-conservative SCJs. Even if he does - please see 4) above re: SCJ Kennedy.
Given the Republicans history, given McCain's wishy-washy-ness, you actually want people, like me, that only agree with Republicans on 1 issue - the abortion issue - to hold their breath on this ONE issue....no way!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 9:02:27 PM
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A question arises in my heart and mind that I feel I need to ask.
Why is it that we, as Christians, seem to be so reliant on the Government to change anything in regards to abortion? Why is it that, rather than work to reach out to people in love to change the situation or work to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies we wait and hope for the Supreme Court to change the nation?
If it be God's will that Obama is elected so that Christians will finally stop waiting for Government to move and start being the hands and feet of Christ to the people who are most at risk for getting an abortion can we really say that that's a bad thing?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 9:04:19 PM
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Given the Republicans history, given McCain's wishy-washy-ness, you actually want people, like me, that only agree with Republicans on 1 issue - the abortion issue - to hold their breath on this ONE issue....no way!
Fact... Republicans have placed pro-life judges... Democrats have not... Obama is for abortion no matter, McCain is against abortion with the typical life of the mother, rape and incest...
Fact... Christians are accountable for their actions regardless of Supreme Courts appointments and what they feel is important...
You can vote for whomever... I just like to see you support your action with God's word...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 9:18:23 PM
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A question arises in my heart and mind that I feel I need to ask.
Why is it that we, as Christians, seem to be so reliant on the Government to change anything in regards to abortion? Why is it that, rather than work to reach out to people in love to change the situation or work to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies we wait and hope for the Supreme Court to change the nation?
Why shouldn't Christians look to the God ordain authority to not sanction murder? If the Supreme Court rules murder outside the womb is ok for mothers towards their children should Christian remain silent as well?
As well what good is it really going to do to point out the pitfalls of abortion when the other person is going to point out the fact it's legal to do so... We can't hope that murder in the womb should be illegal and you want to address how one becomes pregnant. You are kidding yourself. If the idea of murdering your own child isn't enough to wake a person up you really think talking about curbing sex and other means to decreasing the chance of abortion is going to be taken seriously? Think again...
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If it be God's will that Obama is elected so that Christians will finally stop waiting for Government to move and start being the hands and feet of Christ to the people who are most at risk for getting an abortion can we really say that that's a bad thing?
Posted as if Christians are sitting on their hands... Who is your example? I see this posted and I always ask who are these Christians that don't do anything regarding abortion, and I have come to the fair conclusion it must be those who support the right of others to abort... Makes perfect sense...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 9:22:29 PM
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A question arises in my heart and mind that I feel I need to ask.
Why is it that we, as Christians, seem to be so reliant on the Government to change anything in regards to abortion? Why is it that, rather than work to reach out to people in love to change the situation or work to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies we wait and hope for the Supreme Court to change the nation?
Why shouldn't Christians look to the God ordain authority to not sanction murder? If the Supreme Court rules murder outside the womb is ok for mothers towards their children should Christian remain silent as well?
As well what good is it really going to do to point out the pitfalls of abortion when the other person is going to point out the fact it's legal to do so... We can't hope that murder in the womb should be illegal and you want to address how one becomes pregnant. You are kidding yourself. If the idea of murdering your own child isn't enough to wake a person up you really think talking about curbing sex and other means to decreasing the chance of abortion is going to be taken seriously? Think again...
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If it be God's will that Obama is elected so that Christians will finally stop waiting for Government to move and start being the hands and feet of Christ to the people who are most at risk for getting an abortion can we really say that that's a bad thing?
Posted as if Christians are sitting on their hands... Who is your example? I see this posted and I always ask who are these Christians that don't do anything regarding abortion, and I have come to the fair conclusion it must be those who support the right of others to abort... Makes perfect sense...
So what you're saying is that acting as the hands and feet of Christ and going to those people most at risk and reaching out to them in His love is pointless and the Government is where the answer is?
You'd be surprised at what talking to people earnestly can accomplish. There will always be those who refuse to hear but there are millions of people who will if you're just willing to talk and, more importantly, listen.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 9:50:39 PM
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So what you're saying is that acting as the hands and feet of Christ and going to those people most at risk and reaching out to them in His love is pointless and the Government is where the answer is?
No... I said what I said... I was quite clear on why Christians should look to the government regarding its obligation to God.
What is pointless is supporting unjust laws and attempting to be the hands and feet of Christ. The hypocrisy will be pointed out... Anyone who believes a mixed message will convert anyone is kidding themselves.
Oh... Btw... The people at most risk are the unborn children...
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You'd be surprised at what talking to people earnestly can accomplish. There will always be those who refuse to hear but there are millions of people who will if you're just willing to talk and, more importantly, listen.
To be honest.... People here who claim Christ and as well claim to understand to His word support abortion... That doesn't give me much hope in regards to those who laugh at God's word and quickly point out that it's a right to murder in the womb...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 10:41:42 PM
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Given the Republicans history, given McCain's wishy-washy-ness, you actually want people, like me, that only agree with Republicans on 1 issue - the abortion issue - to hold their breath on this ONE issue....no way!
Fact... Republicans have placed pro-life judges... Democrats have not... Obama is for abortion no matter, McCain is against abortion with the typical life of the mother, rape and incest...
Fact... Christians are accountable for their actions regardless of Supreme Courts appointments and what they feel is important...
You can vote for whomever... I just like to see you support your action with God's word...
I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
going thru the SC plainly is not working- has not worked for 3 DECADES of: Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW.
And given the fact that: McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - a pact he made with the Democrats: if the Republicans do not go Frist on SCJs (ie, very conservative), then the Democrats will not fillibuster the SCJ nominees. It is highly unlikely that he'd pick ultra-conservative SCJs. Even if he does - please see 4) above re: SCJ Kennedy.
 Why bother post, if your post is going to be cut off for the benefit of someone else's message?
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 10:46:26 PM
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I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 10:54:32 PM
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I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
And by those 'parts' that you say - I would conclude that you mean that if you vote Republican, simply by virtue of their platform, you're assured that the Republican president will pick SCJs that will overturn RVW; that RVW will be overturned; that Republicans will do everything in their power to overturn RVW? If so, I do beg to differ...again, the history tells a different story.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/10/2008 11:04:18 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
And by those 'parts' that you say - I would conclude that you mean that if you vote Republican, simply by virtue of their platform, you're assured that the Republican president will pick SCJs that will overturn RVW; that RVW will be overturned; that Republicans will do everything in their power to overturn RVW? If so, I do beg to differ...again, the history tells a different story.
I have never said that or anything close to that... You conclude things out of thin air... It seems you copy and paste the same three paragraphs regardless of what is actually posted... I have said before I don't deny what you have posted, yet you simply copy and paste the same stuff... It's quite funny actually...
I simply posted the fact you leave out... I have not and will not say voting for Republicans will assure anything... The last Republican I voted first name was Ronald...
The fact that Republicans have appointed pro-life judges...
Democrats have not...
McCain and Obama view differ...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 12:24:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
And by those 'parts' that you say - I would conclude that you mean that if you vote Republican, simply by virtue of their platform, you're assured that the Republican president will pick SCJs that will overturn RVW; that RVW will be overturned; that Republicans will do everything in their power to overturn RVW? If so, I do beg to differ...again, the history tells a different story.
I have never said that or anything close to that... You conclude things out of thin air... It seems you copy and paste the same three paragraphs regardless of what is actually posted... I have said before I don't deny what you have posted, yet you simply copy and paste the same stuff... It's quite funny actually...
I simply posted the fact you leave out... I have not and will not say voting for Republicans will assure anything... The last Republican I voted first name was Ronald...
The fact that Republicans have appointed pro-life judges...
Democrats have not...
McCain and Obama view differ...
Don't get trapped by Liz into her narrow focused view on abortion. The election of BHO is a death sentence for many children. He will send millions of dollars to foreign lands to kill mostly brown and black children. Then he'll pay for the abortions of poor American children, most of them brown and black. Then he'll encourage other nations to abort their children, most of them brown or black.
The only thing that stands between those children and their murder is John McCain.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 7:51:20 AM
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The bible says that which is not done in faith is a sin...
If one is truly a child of God they will not see God's wrath, but chastisement out love in that God will work in His people to bring them about in spite of their failings.
I can't in good conscience vote for McCain or Obama... I am not doing so to escape God's wrath, I just don't feel I can justify the action according to His word...
wait a minute,, till i get up off the floor, did I hear you say that YOU cannot vote for either one? I thought you were a mccainer.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 10:27:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
And by those 'parts' that you say - I would conclude that you mean that if you vote Republican, simply by virtue of their platform, you're assured that the Republican president will pick SCJs that will overturn RVW; that RVW will be overturned; that Republicans will do everything in their power to overturn RVW? If so, I do beg to differ...again, the history tells a different story.
I have never said that or anything close to that... You conclude things out of thin air... It se | | |
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