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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 12:02:11 PM
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The bible says that which is not done in faith is a sin...
If one is truly a child of God they will not see God's wrath, but chastisement out love in that God will work in His people to bring them about in spite of their failings.
I can't in good conscience vote for McCain or Obama... I am not doing so to escape God's wrath, I just don't feel I can justify the action according to His word...
wait a minute,, till i get up off the floor, did I hear you say that YOU cannot vote for either one? I thought you were a mccainer.
If you are bored scroll back and you will not see me ever say John McCain is the answer...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 12:22:53 PM
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I see how you casually ignored these facts, John:
I don't deny what you post I simply include the parts you leave out...
And by those 'parts' that you say - I would conclude that you mean that if you vote Republican, simply by virtue of their platform, you're assured that the Republican president will pick SCJs that will overturn RVW; that RVW will be overturned; that Republicans will do everything in their power to overturn RVW? If so, I do beg to differ...again, the history tells a different story.
I have never said that or anything close to that... You conclude things out of thin air... It seems you copy and paste the same three paragraphs regardless of what is actually posted... I have said before I don't deny what you have posted, yet you simply copy and paste the same stuff... It's quite funny actually...
I simply posted the fact you leave out... I have not and will not say voting for Republicans will assure anything... The last Republican I voted first name was Ronald...
The fact that Republicans have appointed pro-life judges...
Democrats have not...
McCain and Obama view differ...
Don't get trapped by Liz into her narrow focused view on abortion. The election of BHO is a death sentence for many children. He will send millions of dollars to foreign lands to kill mostly brown and black children. Then he'll pay for the abortions of poor American children, most of them brown and black. Then he'll encourage other nations to abort their children, most of them brown or black.
The only thing that stands between those children and their murder is John McCain.
Don't get trapped by ljmac's obvious bias -
No more than I am trapped by yours... At least ljmacs takes a stand on the issue...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/11/2008 7:57:45 PM
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SovereignIsHe - sorry i just assumed that you were against Obama, that you were for Mccain.
wow no wonder i like talking with you, you see things the way i do -
no confidence in EITHER!!!
someone said earlier that the answer to the dilemma and still be in God's Word, is to vote NEITHER.
but then theres a flaw in that, if you vote for neither, then you are also by being silent, letting the things you hate still continue, coz you did nothing (you didn't vote).
so again, someone could still put blame on the non-voters in that sense. i mean, we can take this to the ridiculous, no matter how you vote or not vote.
i wish someone would put me in a coma from Nov 1 - Nov 10 so that I totally will have NO blame put on me whatsoever even if someone could find some way to blame me.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/12/2008 1:53:09 PM
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SovereignIsHe - sorry i just assumed that you were against Obama, that you were for Mccain.
No problem, and that is not a crazy assumption...
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but then theres a flaw in that, if you vote for neither, then you are also by being silent, letting the things you hate still continue, coz you did nothing (you didn't vote).
That certainly something I think about a lot... Though I have come to the conclusion that supporting even the lessor of two evils is nonetheless supporting evil and sadly has time has gone on the difference between the two major political parties has diminished to the point that it's really hard to see the clear difference...
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so again, someone could still put blame on the non-voters in that sense. i mean, we can take this to the ridiculous, no matter how you vote or not vote.
They could, but that assumes we must vote to make a difference and that isn't absolute... I believe people who keep on accepting whatever either party tosses out for candidates with no regard for standards have more to answer for than those who can no longer justify a vote for whomever the R's and D's present...
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i wish someone would put me in a coma from Nov 1 - Nov 10 so that I totally will have NO blame put on me whatsoever even if someone could find some way to blame me.
Heh...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/13/2008 9:27:02 AM
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hey good news! me and a group of folks were talking about this issue at church, and another lady said she was not going to vote for either also... which is her way of solving this problem... and she doesn't even come here.
so thats the answer to those of you who cannot vote your conscience for either one.
actually, i saw signs for early voting, I am going to check it out, that way i can be over and done with this.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 7:46:55 AM
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hey good news! me and a group of folks were talking about this issue at church, and another lady said she was not going to vote for either also... which is her way of solving this problem... and she doesn't even come here.
So that’s the answer to those of you who cannot vote your conscience for either one.
actually, i saw signs for early voting, I am going to check it out, that way i can be over and done with this.
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I am going to check it out, that way i can be over and done with this.
Why so soon?, the fun is just beginning
Well Obama floundered totally over Roe v Wade last night in the debate; and this is what McCain was speaking of
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=285794
Cheryl Sullinger of Operation Rescue explains the African-American baby named Shanice Denise Osbourne was born alive
Obama seems not to care, not even with his own, but that the precious Roe v Wade remains untouched
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 8:07:50 AM
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Obama seems not to care, not even with his own, but that the precious Roe v Wade remains untouched
You might be surprised at how many people seem not to care. I know a lot of folks here get worked up about abortion, but many voters really are just bored with the issue.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 8:27:52 AM
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You might be surprised at how many people seem not to care. I know a lot of folks here get worked up about abortion, but many voters really are just bored with the issue.
You live in NY? correct.
I live in Mississippi. Here we care about that issue a lot.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 9:14:35 AM
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There are people in NY who care about it too, but there are way more who really just don't think it's important either way. Not pro-choice, not pro-life, just unconcerned.
Personally, I think that the first major party that completely drops abortion from its official platform would end up winning the presidency and both houses of Congress. If you didn't address the issue at all, and accepted both party members and candidates from all sides of the abortion debate, you could actually focus on other factors: the economy, national defense, gross over-taxation, incipient socialism, etc.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 9:31:17 AM
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So you don't consider legalized murder an issue to be addressed.
Do you also favor allowing our elderly to be put down when they become something we don't want to fool with?
I have a very disabled woman I help care for. She unable to do anything for herself. Can we put her down as well considering she is considered to "many people" a burden?
You do realize that's the next step don't you.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 9:33:58 AM
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Personally, I think that the first major party that completely drops abortion from its official platform would end up winning the presidency and both houses of Congress. If you didn't address the issue at all, and accepted both party members and candidates from all sides of the abortion debate, you could actually focus on other factors: the economy, national defense, gross over-taxation, incipient socialism, etc.
Geez, why didn't I think of that?
In fact, why hasn't anyone thought of that before? Imagine if the respective parties had done this in the eighteen hundreds, we could have avoided the civil war all together - just drop the issue and pretend it doesn't exist. The government would have been more effective and a lot of people would have been happier - that is of course, unless you were a slave.
So let's not be concerned about people who don't have a voice like slaves and the unborn - we have other concerns, and we would get much more done if we just pretend they don't exist anyway.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 9:50:32 AM
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ok you all are gonna be shocked at me saying this but on the debate yesterday when Obama was talking about the poor girl that had to be faced with an abortion, and like how much a burden there was on her, and she should be treated with compassion...
however, he showed no sympathy for the poor unborn aborted baby born alive that im sure is in much pain from having saline put on its delicate skin (from that kind of abortion)... or for having its brain and litle arms sucked out and torn to pieces.. I did not hear Obama say any sympathy for THAT little one. I dont think i heard mccain mention sorrow for the baby either.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 10:14:30 AM
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There are people in NY who care about it too, but there are way more who really just don't think it's important either way. Not pro-choice, not pro-life, just unconcerned.
Personally, I think that the first major party that completely drops abortion from its official platform would end up winning the presidency and both houses of Congress. If you didn't address the issue at all, and accepted both party members and candidates from all sides of the abortion debate, you could actually focus on other factors: the economy, national defense, gross over-taxation, incipient socialism, etc.
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Not pro-choice, not pro-life, just unconcerned.
The truth of being just unconcerned is written in Luke 21:
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts "failing".. them .."from fear"
"and"
the “expectation” of those things “which …are… coming”… on the earth, = terrorism)....for the powers of heaven will be shaken. (That’s does not mean “might" come) 
What is going on is what is called the coming of the lawless one; that was given to us some what 2000 years ago..... in 2 Thess 2 v9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
He is not here yet! …the verse says... the coming of. 
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 10:48:35 AM
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I don’t think i heard McCain mention sorrow for the baby either.
The point is Sarah is taking all the abuse for being the Christian, McCain’s position is already known by the company “he is keeping”… that by the appointment of Sarah as VP….after elected!…their will be an end to it,
(it will take time but God will restrain in like manner) ...that’s the only real issue)
Basically John didn't have to say a thing.
The problem with putting an end to it… is ....Roe v Wade!!! which is Obama’s precious… which according to the scriptures will cause millions to come under a judgment of murder, and is what this election is about,
The economy crisis garbage was a created issue to make Obama stand out as the big hero, because those elite in Washington created it!!!! …as McCain said….
(In other words it was man made) Just in time for this day.
A leopard does not change its spots!! Perhaps one should take a peek in
RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fraud, intimidation tactics?
....A leopard does not (will not) change its spots.... Or that kingdom would fall. Mark 3:22-30
Jer 3:9 - Show Context
So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with “stones and trees.”
Have you ever done a study of those who “worship” other gods? ….Mythology…stuff like that?
It is quite amazing with the going on’s… today
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:27:34 AM
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The truth of being just unconcerned is written in Luke 21:
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts "failing".. them .."from fear"
"and"
the “expectation” of those things “which …are… coming”… on the earth, = terrorism)....for the powers of heaven will be shaken. (That’s does not mean “might" come)
What is going on is what is called the coming of the lawless one; that was given to us some what 2000 years ago..... in 2 Thess 2 v9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
He is not here yet! …the verse says... the coming of.
Whatever.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:29:43 AM
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Remember, too, that abortion was not illegal in the US until the mid-nineteenth century.
Like I said before, I don't care if abortion is legal or not. If it's legal, you get one if you want one and you don't if you don't. And if it's illegal, and you want one bad enough, you go someplace where it is legal. Preferably one with a good climate and local cuisine. Make a vacation of it.
Lots of people really just don't see it as a big deal.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:33:22 AM
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The truth of being just unconcerned is written in Luke 21:
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts "failing".. them .."from fear"
"and"
the “expectation” of those things “which …are… coming”… on the earth, = terrorism)....for the powers of heaven will be shaken. (That’s does not mean “might" come)
What is going on is what is called the coming of the lawless one; that was given to us some what 2000 years ago..... in 2 Thess 2 v9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
He is not here yet! …the verse says... the coming of.
Whatever.
I was just rasing an example...of what the scripture says
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:35:07 AM
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Remember, too, that abortion was not illegal in the US until the mid-nineteenth century.
Like I said before, I don't care if abortion is legal or not. If it's legal, you get one if you want one and you don't if you don't. And if it's illegal, and you want one bad enough, you go someplace where it is legal. Preferably one with a good climate and local cuisine. Make a vacation of it.
Lots of people really just don't see it as a big deal.
As I said, apathy towards the death of millions makes it no less a 'big deal' than apathy towards the slavery of others. In fact, considering the magnitude of the event, it is perhaps the most important social/political issue of our age, even if there are some who are too self-absorbed to realize it. History will prove this out one way or another.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:47:31 AM
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As I said, apathy towards the death of millions makes it no less a 'big deal' than apathy towards the slavery of others. In fact, considering the magnitude of the event, it is perhaps the most important social/political issue of our age, even if there are some who are too self-absorbed to realize it. History will prove this out one way or another.
It might. It might not. People who support gay rights, animal rights, oppose 3rd world "sweat shops," etc. all say the same thing about their pet issues. They're also usually convinced that people who don't share their enthusiasm are "self-absorbed," and are generally certain the history will vindicate them. This lets them feel like big heroes in the long term, even though they're losing now.
If the GOP dropped abortion from its platform and ran a fiscal conservative ticket, in less than a decade the White House, both houses of Congress, and most state houses would be conservative Republican. Causes like the pro-life movement would win by piggybacking along.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 11:58:16 AM
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It might. It might not. People who support gay rights, animal rights, oppose 3rd world "sweat shops," etc. all say the same thing about their pet issues. They're also usually convinced that people who don't share their enthusiasm are "self-absorbed," and are generally certain the history will vindicate them. This lets them feel like big heroes in the long term, even though they're losing now.
Well, this point is predicated on the notion that there is a moral equivalency between abortion, gay rights, and animal rights. I don't even think the people who believe in those issues think that. Abortion concerns the immediate and decisive loss of human life, and is really core to all human rights - more than the concern that life is being lost (which is obviously paramount) is the notion that governments can dictate a right to take innocent human life - which is erosive to all our rights.
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If the GOP dropped abortion from its platform and ran a fiscal conservative ticket, in less than a decade the White House, both houses of Congress, and most state houses would be conservative Republican. Causes like the pro-life movement would win by piggybacking along.
Possibly; or they might simply ignore the courts all together and we will have a court that increasingly encroaches on our constitutional rights, undermining every conservative initiative. The issues aren't neccesarily mutually exclusive.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 2:25:05 PM
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This abortion debate is so devisive. i really wish it wouldnt have become an political/religious debate because both sides are using this issue for poltical whateverness....
the conservatives love to talk about it and drum up support against it so they will never over turn the ruling. Plus they gain the christian voting bloc.
the liberals gain the support from those who support choice and who are opposed to the overturning of roe.
we all loose. the church has now become pretty much split down party lines, if people who arent anti-abortion attend they often feel left out or pushed out. The unborn loose in pretty much every area because instead of taking the mother and unborn into account it now becomes a political issue whereas friends, family and faith memebers take all things into account for their individual situation.
This debate is really what pushed me out of the church. American churches for the most part are so political and if you dont aggree with their politics you really have a hard time fitting in...so i gave up on the whole religion and politics thing and just live my life.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 2:29:28 PM
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This debate is really what pushed me out of the church. American churches for the most part are so political and if you dont aggree with their politics you really have a hard time fitting in...so i gave up on the whole religion and politics thing and just live my life.
At least you are able to live your life. THAT IS THE POINT. Abortion kills the aborted baby's opportunity to "just live my life".
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 2:37:52 PM
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This debate is really what pushed me out of the church. American churches for the most part are so political and if you dont aggree with their politics you really have a hard time fitting in...so i gave up on the whole religion and politics thing and just live my life.
Either you are the Church or you are not. If you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ than you were never part of the Church to begin with. You simply visited some of our services. That is probably the core reason you never felt that you "fit in".
My brother felt like you did until one day he realize he was not saved. After he was saved then he realized that he "fit right in" with the rest of us.
You may have given up on religion but please don't give up on Jesus Christ. God promises that if you want a relationship with Him it's free for the asking.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/16/2008 4:53:44 PM
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This debate is really what pushed me out of the church. American churches for the most part are so political and if you dont aggree with their politics you really have a hard time fitting in...so i gave up on the whole religion and politics thing and just live my life.
Either you are the Church or you are not. If you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ than you were never part of the Church to begin with. You simply visited some of our services. That is probably the core reason you never felt that you "fit in".
So, is that to say if you disagree with the church on the issue of abortion, then you were really never part of the church or never really had a personal relationship with Christ. Personally, I am pro-choice.
What are your thoughts on a 9yr old girl who is raped and becomes pregnant? She's terrified and emotionally damaged. Her small body isn't really developed enough to carry a baby. She truly is a kid having a baby. Once she has the baby she has no say in deciding what happens to the baby. Do you really think all of that should be laid on this emotionally under-developed and damaged child? She should be playing with dolls, not having babies.
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