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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1

Yeah, I feel you, I get frustrated when people believe anything they hear like... Obama palling with terrorists, that if you vote for Obama, wou are now responsible for every abortion happening, the black liberation theology is evil, that Obama called Palin a pig with lipstick.

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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1

Yeah, I feel you, I get frustrated when people believe anything they hear like... Obama palling with terrorists, that if you vote for Obama, wou are now responsible for every abortion happening, the black liberation theology is evil, that Obama called Palin a pig with lipstick.

Say it Ain't So Joe!

Pardon me while I stick my head in the sand...... Ahhhhh — the sweet blissful ignorance soooooths me!

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ORIGINAL: Psalms274

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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN

A blurb i copied and pasted from AOL commenting on the election - these are my thoughts exactly -

McCain is out of touch, (8 houses, 13 cars) with ordinary Americans...His economic policies are the same as Bush, his military policies are the same as Bush, so ask yourself, would you elect Bush again, my retirement savings are now 50% of what they were this when they quadrupled under Clinton. When Clinton left office with a balanced budget and America at peace and gas at 1.49 a gallon the Dow Jones was 10500 it is now 8 years later, the Dow is at 10,100 so no growth in 8 years when it tripled under Clinton, we have 5000 dead soldiers in a war that is endless, with a budget that is 1 Trillion dollars in debt, and higher unemployment, more jobs lost overseas, more of a trade imbalance, higher inflation, and the US has less allies around the globe. More foreclosures...So why would anyone vote for Bush/ McCain again? His policies are the same.

This quote is a perfect example of buying into what the media hopes you will buy into. The slant in that clip as to who bears the blame for our current woes is scary when you look at what the real story is ... because there are so many out there who do not dig any further than the surface.

Let's see, it gives credit for a balanced budget that one, was pushed by the Republican Congress, not Clinton, and two, was not actually balanced ...

It links McCain with Bush when in reality, McCain has voted with Bush only 67% of the time since Bush came into office in 2001 .... the 90% with Bush number has been over the last year and a half. McCain is not another Bush ... he has been one of the biggest thorns in Bush's side over the past 7 and a half years.

(A side note) To Bush's credit, he was the one asking for reform in 2001 of our current system. The proposal was blocked by the Democrats in committee, just like the fiasco with all the judges being blocked, even in a Republican Congress ... McCain proposed a bill that would have stopped it in 2005, blocked in committee by Democrats. But what he did not do right ... he kept the income level via tax revenues at the same level even though he lowered taxes but ... did not cut spending ... he should have been using that veto pen of his, instead we are spending 30% more than when he took office ... and contrary to what most believe to be true, the biggest increases have been in healthcare, not the war.

Speaking of the war ... some more mis-guided slantings that need to be addressed. When we started the war in Iraq, it was based on faulty intelligence ... BUT AT THE TIME, no one knew it was faulty, including Bush. There was NO WAY they could know. Obama guessed it right at the time .. and I hate to break it to y'all ... it was a lucky guess on his part. He has been wrong about the war ever since, and still will not admit he was wrong about the success of the surge (which has resulted in our troops being able to come home gradually ... something that Obama is now taking credit for ... he is claiming they taken his advice ... but the real reason we are now on our way out is THE SURGE WORKED.)

Are gas prices this administrations fault? No, ... they are up because the WORLD CONSUMPTION has increased due tremendous increases in use in China and India ... but mostly China

What about the stock market? Back when Clinton was in office I was a stock broker and financial adviser. Do you want to know why your stock went up? It wasn't Clinton, it was the tech industry, and the result was a surge in all stocks to the point of most of them being highly overpriced at the time. The DOW was at 12,000 and those of us on the inside knew it had to come down soon, because the stocks were being sold at prices much higher than their actual value. There had to be a correction ... the prices were going up at astronomical, unrealistic levels. Today, after going through the corrections from 2000 until last year, our economy is suffering because of too many regulations in the credit industry. Freddie, Fannie, all of your banks were giving out mortgages to people who should have never qualified because of legislation, pushed by Clinton, that encouraged these entities to lend to people who did not have the means to pay for that mortgage. We are now in a credit crisis that has caused our financial markets to plummet ... not to mention all of the baby boomers entering into retirement who have started to pull their retirement dollars into safer vehicles so they can access them in retirement. When you have that many people retiring at once, and needing those dollars to live on, the stock market will go down.

You mentioned jobs loss overseas ... with Obama that will get worse as he taxes those companies who hire ... with higher taxes, they will do their business overseas which means fewer jobs here.

You know what the sad thing is? Obama is going to get elected because so many people do not have the intellectual curiosity that is needed to dig and find out the real story ... they are buying what the media says hook, line and sinker ... and the result will be probably the worse financial woes our country has seen in a very long time, not to mention the vulnerability on the security front that goes with those woes ... not to mention the vulnerability from having such a man as our Commander and Chief.

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On the war in Iraq. A lot of us, including me, were misled about whether Saddam had WMDs. But a lot of members of Congress had access to some of the CIA's analysis, and knew, or should have known, that Bush's reading of CIA analyses was biased towards going to war. And as far as being welcomed with flowers, and Iraq being a wonderful place for a "laboratory for Democracy", the American public had all the information needed to know that those two comments were dreadfully wrong. We just weren't paying attention. And congress didn't assert its independence at the right time

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Yeah, I feel you, I get frustrated when people believe anything they hear like... Obama palling with terrorists, that if you vote for Obama, wou are now responsible for every abortion happening, the black liberation theology is evil, that Obama called Palin a pig with lipstick.

Say it Ain't So Joe!

Pardon me while I stick my head in the sand...... Ahhhhh — the sweet blissful ignorance soooooths me!

That's exactly what I think when some people on here believe the many things on here that aren't backed up by realy facts or evidence.

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Please provide unbiased links to sources of your information, for all of your aforementioned assertions.

Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,

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Back in high school, I had a history teacher tell me that in time Russia will become more captialistic and America would become more socialistic. This was back in the 1960s.

Well, we've seen Russia become more capitalistic. We have even seen Communist China become more capitalistic. Now we are watching socialism take over our country.

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And my husband (Colonel in the Reserves) was one of the early ones in Iraq after the War started - the media was not showing how thankful most of the people really were. After he got home, we were introduced to a 14 year old boy who was an exchange student from Iraq at the school our children attended. The person who introduced him to us told him that my husband had been to Iraq. The young man asked where my husband had been and why. My husband told him where he had been and that he had been traveling with Amb. Breamer - escorting other dignitaries. The young man could not stop thanking my husband and asked my husband if he could introduce him to Amb Breamer - he was so thankful for how we were helping Iraq. But you don't hear those stories do you?

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What is bad about america being socialist? Canada for example has nation wide healthcare which seems to work, and that is called socialist healthcare.

I just dont know what being a socialist country would mean for us. Could you tell me please?

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Actually, Saddam had everyone fooled. Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright and many others in the CLINTON administration said that Saddam had WMD's. Our Military has found some WMD's, but the media is not reporting that. We also have satellite survelliance that shows a mass of large trucks exiting Iraq and entering Syria. If there were no WMD's, then Saddam was also buffaloeing his own Generals who were in charge of those WMD's.

And my husband (Colonel in the Reserves) was one of the early ones in Iraq after the War started - the media was not showing how thankful most of the people really were. After he got home, we were introduced to a 14 year old boy who was an exchange student from Iraq at the school our children attended. The person who introduced him to us told him that my husband had been to Iraq. The young man asked where my husband had been and why. My husband told him where he had been and that he had been traveling with Amb. Breamer - escorting other dignitaries. The young man could not stop thanking my husband and asked my husband if he could introduce him to Amb Breamer - he was so thankful for how we were helping Iraq. But you don't hear those stories do you?

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Yes, Saddam bluffed very well and it backfired. Dick Cheney had more WMD's in his gun cabinet, LOL. That information was widely circulated but got so little attention because there was so little to it. These were old, degraded munitions that were more hazardous to the Iraqi's in storage than to anyone else. That's why the administration did not make a big deal about it.

The media was all over the triumph in the beginning. They were snookered along with most of us. "Imbedded" reporters were not much more than PR staff.

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What is bad about america being socialist? Canada for example has nation wide healthcare which seems to work, and that is called socialist healthcare

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Here's a fact for you!

"It took 42 presidents 224 years to run up a trillion dollars of U.S. debt held abroad. This president (Bush) has more than doubled that amount in JUST 6 YEARS". Senator Kent Conrad

The Chinese hold 1.3 trillion of this debt and have one time threatened to liquidate them (which would really put the dollar in the toilet) in response to trade sanctions proposed in 2007.

Karl Marx was right when he said the capitalist would sell the communist the rope from which he would be hung!

Change or McSame? I'll take change!

Have you asked just what kind of change 0bama is advocating?

Yeah! The change is that he would concentrate on THIS country rather than galloping off to save the world or fill the coffers of his friends and business associates and while taking the national debt to from $5.6 trillion to $8.8 trillion.

How Bush Accumulates Debt!

We are now an economic hostage of China and OPEC and this can (and HAS) affected our foreign policy!

Beware Charismatic Men Who Preach 'Change'

Editor, Times-Dispatch:
Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America's. This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.

On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.

When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said "Praise the Lord." And when the young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!"


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Maybe this will explain socialism a littel more clearer to most people. You work hard in college to get all A's. Stay up late, write papers that WOW your prof's. You are on track to make a name for yourself. Your room mate is too busy partying and sleeps through half their classes and is squeaking by - just bareley passing. But the school comes up with a PLAN to help those who "can't or won't help help them selves to do better" They take away some of your grades and "give" them to your room mate to help them out. Is that Fair? Not to you - but your Room mate LOVES it!! That is Socialism!

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How do you think 0baMessiah's going to change things? That is the question. WHAT KIND OF CHANGE does he really want to bring? Cuba bought Fidel's glib words for change and look what they got. Don't you think we deserve to know exactly what kind of change we are going to get if 0bama manages to win this election?

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Again, Sarah Palin, answer the question! What does Fidel have to do with Obama? Unless you want to indirectly call Obama a communist I see no connection!

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

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Maybe this will explain socialism a littel more clearer to most people. You work hard in college to get all A's. Stay up late, write papers that WOW your prof's. You are on track to make a name for yourself. Your room mate is too busy partying and sleeps through half their classes and is squeaking by - just bareley passing. But the school comes up with a PLAN to help those who "can't or won't help help them selves to do better" They take away some of your grades and "give" them to your room mate to help them out. Is that Fair? Not to you - but your Room mate LOVES it!! That is Socialism!

On a serious note, how EXACTLY do you believe anyone is going to institute socialism in a capitalistic and democratic society? Are we going to do away with the constitution and bill or rights? Do you believe we will replace the electoral system with a dictatorship?

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How do you think 0baMessiah's going to change things? That is the question. WHAT KIND OF CHANGE does he really want to bring? Cuba bought Fidel's glib words for change and look what they got. Don't you think we deserve to know exactly what kind of change we are going to get if 0bama manages to win this election?

Again, Sarah Palin, answer the question! What does Fidel have to do with Obama? Unless you want to indirectly call Obama a communist I see no connection!

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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN

A blurb i copied and pasted from AOL commenting on the election - these are my thoughts exactly -

McCain is out of touch, (8 houses, 13 cars) with ordinary Americans...His economic policies are the same as Bush, his military policies are the same as Bush, so ask yourself, would you elect Bush again, my retirement savings are now 50% of what they were this when they quadrupled under Clinton. When Clinton left office with a balanced budget and America at peace and gas at 1.49 a gallon the Dow Jones was 10500 it is now 8 years later, the Dow is at 10,100 so no growth in 8 years when it tripled under Clinton, we have 5000 dead soldiers in a war that is endless, with a budget that is 1 Trillion dollars in debt, and higher unemployment, more jobs lost overseas, more of a trade imbalance, higher inflation, and the US has less allies around the globe. More foreclosures...So why would anyone vote for Bush/ McCain again? His policies are the same.

This quote is a perfect example of buying into what the media hopes you will buy into. The slant in that clip as to who bears the blame for our current woes is scary when you look at what the real story is ... because there are so many out there who do not dig any further than the surface.

Let's see, it gives credit for a balanced budget that one, was pushed by the Republican Congress, not Clinton, and two, was not actually balanced ...

It links McCain with Bush when in reality, McCain has voted with Bush only 67% of the time since Bush came into office in 2001 .... the 90% with Bush number has been over the last year and a half. McCain is not another Bush ... he has been one of the biggest thorns in Bush's side over the past 7 and a half years.

(A side note) To Bush's credit, he was the one asking for reform in 2001 of our current system. The proposal was blocked by the Democrats in committee, just like the fiasco with all the judges being blocked, even in a Republican Congress ... McCain proposed a bill that would have stopped it in 2005, blocked in committee by Democrats. But what he did not do right ... he kept the income level via tax revenues at the same level even though he lowered taxes but ... did not cut spending ... he should have been using that veto pen of his, instead we are spending 30% more than when he took office ... and contrary to what most believe to be true, the biggest increases have been in healthcare, not the war.

Speaking of the war ... some more mis-guided slantings that need to be addressed. When we started the war in Iraq, it was based on faulty intelligence ... BUT AT THE TIME, no one knew it was faulty, including Bush. There was NO WAY they could know. Obama guessed it right at the time .. and I hate to break it to y'all ... it was a lucky guess on his part. He has been wrong about the war ever since, and still will not admit he was wrong about the success of the surge (which has resulted in our troops being able to come home gradually ... something that Obama is now taking credit for ... he is claiming they taken his advice ... but the real reason we are now on our way out is THE SURGE WORKED.)

Are gas prices this administrations fault? No, ... they are up because the WORLD CONSUMPTION has increased due tremendous increases in use in China and India ... but mostly China

What about the stock market? Back when Clinton was in office I was a stock broker and financial adviser. Do you want to know why your stock went up? It wasn't Clinton, it was the tech industry, and the result was a surge in all stocks to the point of most of them being highly overpriced at the time. The DOW was at 12,000 and those of us on the inside knew it had to come down soon, because the stocks were being sold at prices much higher than their actual value. There had to be a correction ... the prices were going up at astronomical, unrealistic levels. Today, after going through the corrections from 2000 until last year, our economy is suffering because of too many regulations in the credit industry. Freddie, Fannie, all of your banks were giving out mortgages to people who should have never qualified because of legislation, pushed by Clinton, that encouraged these entities to lend to people who did not have the means to pay for that mortgage. We are now in a credit crisis that has caused our financial markets to plummet ... not to mention all of the baby boomers entering into retirement who have started to pull their retirement dollars into safer vehicles so they can access them in retirement. When you have that many people retiring at once, and needing those dollars to live on, the stock market will go down.

You mentioned jobs loss overseas ... with Obama that will get worse as he taxes those companies who hire ... with higher taxes, they will do their business overseas which means fewer jobs here.

You know what the sad thing is? Obama is going to get elected because so many people do not have the intellectual curiosity that is needed to dig and find out the real story ... they are buying what the media says hook, line and sinker ... and the result will be probably the worse financial woes our country has seen in a very long time, not to mention the vulnerability on the security front that goes with those woes ... not to mention the vulnerability from having such a man as our Commander and Chief.